Request Spamhaus contact

Mon Jan 17 23:54:37 UTC 2011

William,

Our company is primarily focused on the filtering of DDoS traffic. A
significant amount of our IP space is routed elsewhere via proxy or
GRE. If a customer pollutes, they pollute and thats their own
business. If they abuse, we take action. If Spamhaus contacts us
before ruining the business of others, we still take action (believe
it or not).

We don't actively decide to host any of this content. It sprouts up
and really is not a concern of ours until it becomes an actual
problem. Comparing us to FOONET and especially Atrivo is ignorant and
short sighted. Perhaps you would understand if you were targeted by
attacks.

Jeff

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:49 PM, William Pitcock
<nenolod at systeminplace.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:35:22 -0500
> Jeffrey Lyon <jeffrey.lyon at blacklotus.net> wrote:
>
>> William,
>>
>> I'm not certain that any Black Lotus IP's are even connected to EFnet.
>
> Maybe not presently, but your company has a history in the IRC
> community.  And it's not a history I would define as "good."
>
> A history of selling "protection" which was in reality not a technical
> measure (infact, we know this because back then your employees said
> outright that DDoS mitigation was being done after the point, so no
> fancy IntruGuard-like stuff going on there.) but instead an
> intimidation measure.  As in, "DDoS wars", "mutually-assured DoS", so
> on.  Kinda like FooNet/Atrivo/etc.  Actually, *exactly* like
> FooNet/Atrivo/etc.
>
>> Secondly, we're more than happy to act on any data presented to us if
>> they actually care to present it to us before listing the entire ISP.
>
> When you keep in mind that many people involved in the anti-abuse
> community originate from the IRC community, then it should be no
> surprise that they would not wish to waste their time dealing with
> people who were part of the "protection racket" of olden days.
>
>>
>> I'm not sure what non-spam related "e-trash" has to do this any of
>> this.
>
> The fact that you willingly pollute the internet as a whole with SEO
> "optimization" pages says a lot about your company.  In my opinion SEO
> "optimization" pages like myspace-codes.com *are* spam.  That is the
> same opinion held by many others.
>
> Do not expect any pity from the rest of us who bust our proverbial
> asses to keep our netspace clean.
>
> William
>

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