Is Cisco equpiment de facto for you?

Greg Whynott Greg.Whynott at
Mon Jan 10 14:20:06 CST 2011

just a side note,  HP probably was the most helpful vendor i've dealt with in relation to solving/providing inter vendor interoperability solutions.   they have PDF booklets on many  things we would run into during work.  for example,  setting up STP between Cisco and HP gear,  ( ).

At the time the other vendor in this case (cisco) flat our refused to help us.  this was a few years back tho,  things may of changed.  I'd ask support "you are not telling me i'm the _only_ customer trying to do this" …   to which they would try and play the "well most people don't mix gear"..

HP's example should be the yard stick in the field.


On Jan 10, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Brandon Kim wrote:

> To your point Andrey,
> It probably works both ways too. I'm sure HP would love to finger point as well. I remember reading for my CCNP one
> of the thought process behind getting all Cisco is the very reason you pointed out, get all Cisco!
> How convenient though for Cisco to do that, I wonder if they are being sincere(sarcasm).
> Wouldn't it a perfect world for Cisco to just have everyone buy their stuff...I think it's a cop out though and you really should
> try to support your product as best you can if it is connected to another vendor.
> I'm sad to hear that TACACS took that route. I hope they at least tried their hardest to support you.....
>> From: khomyakov.andrey at
>> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:35:36 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Is Cisco equpiment de facto for you?
>> To: nanog at
>> There have been awfully too many time when Cisco TAC would just say that
>> since the problem you are trying to troubleshoot is between Cisco and
>> VendorX, we can't help you. You should have bought Cisco for both sides.
>> I had that happen when I was troubleshooting LLDP between 3750s and Avaya
>> phones, TACACS between Cisco and tac_plus daemon, link bundling between
>> juniper EX and Cisco, some obscure switching issues between CAT and
>> Procurves and other examples like that just don't recall them anymore.
>> Every time I'm reminded that if you have a lot of Cisco on the network, the
>> rest should be cisco too, unless there is a very good technical/financial
>> reason for it, but you should be prepared to be your own help in those
>> cases.
>> Vendors love to point at the other vendors for solutions. At least in my
>> experience.
>> My $0.02
>> Andrey
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Greg Whynott <Greg.Whynott at>wrote:
>>> I've tried to use other vendors threw out the years for internal L2/L3.
>>> Always Cisco for perimeter routing/firewalling.
>>> from my personal experience,  each time we took a chance and tried to use
>>> another vendor for internal L2 needs,  we would be reminded why it was a bad
>>> choice down the road,  due to hardware reliability,  support issues,
>>> multiple and ongoing software bugs,  architectural design choices.  Then
>>> for the next few years I'd regret the decision.     This is not to say Cisco
>>> gear has been without its issues,  but they are much fewer and handled
>>> better when stuff hits the fan.
>>> the only other vendor at this point in my career I'd fee comfortable
>>> deploying for internal enterprise switching,  including HPC requirements
>>> which is not CIsco branded,  would be Force10 or Extreme.  it has always
>>> been Cisco for edge routing/firewalling,  but i wouldn't be opposed to
>>> trying Juniper for routing,  I know of a few shops who do and they have been
>>> pleased thus far.    I've little or no experience  with many of the other
>>> vendors,  and I'm sure they have good offerings,  but I won't be beta
>>> testing their firmwares anymore (one vendor insisted we upgrade our firmware
>>> on our core equipment several times in one year…).
>>> Cisco isn't a good choice if you don't have the budget for the smart net
>>> contracts.   They come at a price.   a little 5505 with unrestricted license
>>> and contract costs over 2k,  a 5540 about 40k-70k depending on options,
>>> with a yearly renewal of about 15k or more…
>>> -g
>> --
>> Andrey Khomyakov
>> [khomyakov.andrey at]


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