[arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...)
owen at delong.com
Mon Feb 21 02:48:30 CST 2011
On Feb 20, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Zed Usser <zzuser at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Basic Internet services will work (web browsing, email, Facebook, Youtube,...), but:
Actually, many facebook and youtube features will also be degraded.
>> - Less torrenting
>> - Less Netflix watching
>> - Less FTP downloads
>> - Less video streaming in general (webcams, etc.)
>> You might take a hit on online gaming, but what else is there not to love? :)
You're joking, right? I don't think that most customers are going to take kindly
to having their internet experience on their computer(s) reduced to what they
expect from their cell phone.
>> Your sales department / helpdesk might have a bit of hassle of trying to undestand / explain this new Intertubes to the suck^H^H^H^Hcustomers, but most of them won't care either way.
> Until some competitor who's not using NAT444 comes along and
> advertises that those functions work properly, maybe.
> Only for very liberal definitions of the phrase "won't care either way"
> Tolerate != won't care
> Most of them != People who won't eventually tell their friends or
> tweet about their frustrations
Nah... Just make sure tweeting is one of the things you break along
with the rest of the itner-tubes. (joking, of course).
> For those who are connecting to watch Netflix, it is only marginally
> less annoying for the user than
> removing the "always on" feature of DSL, requiring customers to
> manually click an icon to dial in,
> and get a busy tone played / "All dialin 'lines are busy'" / "Please
> use IPv6 while you wait,
> wait 10 minutes and try dialing in again", if there are no global
> IPv4 IPs available at the moment
> they are trying to connect.
As long as you give them IPv6, their Netflix and Youtube will work.
> Some might even strongly prefer that (time limited access and pay
> per connected hour)
> for periods of access to proper unique IPs over NAT444 brokenness;
You guys are making me very very glad that I:
1. Do not depend on my provider for IPv4 addresses.
2. Have a fully dual-stack environment at home.
3. Do not depend on my residential provider to deliver
anything more than the ability to shove GRE across
the internet encapsulated in whatever protocol (v4/v6)
works at the time.
> possibly with a customer choice between NAT444 and "time metered
> dynamic unique IP" and reasonably
> automatic simple means of switching between IP types on demand.
I encourage my competitors to try this.
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