De-bogon not possible via arin policy.

Joel jaeggli joelja at
Thu Dec 15 21:54:28 UTC 2011

On 12/15/11 13:43 , Leo Bicknell wrote:
> In a message written on Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 01:36:32PM -0800, David Conrad wrote:
>> ARIN's job (well, beyond the world travel, publishing comic books, handing out raffle prizes, etc.) is to allocate and register addresses according to community-defined documented policies. I had thought new allocations are based on demonstrated need. The fact that addresses are in use would seem to suggest they're needed. As I've said, I haven't been following ARIN's policy discussions -- can you point me to the policy that says allocations can be denied because you happened to have (demonstrably ill-advisedly) used the wrong bit patterns in setting up your network?
> The problem is that "in use" means different things to differnet
> folks.
> ifconfig em0 inet
> I'm now using 16 million IP addresses at home.  ARIN policy does
> not allow me to get 16 million public IP addresses as a result,
> based on the 1 machine I have configured at the moment.
> In the case at hand we don't know if the original poster configured
> up /16's on p2p links for two hosts each, or if they have an actual
> host up and pingable at every single IP address.  ARIN has a duty to the

We know rather alot about the original posters' business, it has ~34
million wireless subscribers in north america. I think it's safe to
assume that adequate docuementation could be provided.

> community to ask these questions, because otherwise anyone could
> fabricate a "need" for as many addresses as they want.
> It would seem the original poster and ARIN have a disagrement in this
> case as to how many IP addresses are required to support their needs.
> Perhaps incomplete information was provided, perhaps ARIN staff got it
> wrong.  No one on NANOG has enough information to know either way.

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