Sad IPv4 story?

bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com
Sat Dec 10 11:07:06 CST 2011


On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:17:32AM -0500, Keegan Holley wrote:
> 2011/12/10 <bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com>
> 
> > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 03:15:01AM -0500, Keegan Holley wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Dec 10, 2011, at 2:58 AM, Randy Bush <randy at psg.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >> I just had a personal email from a brand new ISP in the Asia-Pacific
> > > >> area desperately looking for enough IPv4 to be able to run their
> > > >> business the way they would likeb &
> > > >
> > > > and we are supposed to be surprised or feel sorry?  you're kidding,
> > > > right?  they're lucky to be in a/p.  at least they can get a /22.
> > > >
> > > > i especially like the "the way they would like" part.  the way i would
> > > > like to run my business is to go into the office every friday and scoop
> > > > up the cash that fell from the sky all week.
> > > >
> > > > reality is such a pain in the ass.
> > > >
> > > > randy
> > > >
> > > +1 aren't we way past all of the predicted exhaustion dates.  There are
> > slot of as's that have ignored this.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >         predictions are ... predictions!  guesses.  swag.   nothing
> > more/less.
> >
> >        i will say this however.  after fifteen years, I am exhausted
> > listening to
> >
> >        ipv6 v. ipv4  bickering.   (and after five years of running native
> > ipv6-only
> >
> >        networks - i've re-introduced ipv4 to the mix... go figure)
> >
> > /bill
> >
> > I see your point.  The world was supposed to end dozens of times as well.
>  Sorry to hear you had to reintroduce v4.  I suppose if dinosaurs were
> still around we'd have to capitulate to them too.  The people who see a
> T-rex and say "hey I thought they were extinct?!" would just get eaten. but
> I digress. I'm not sure I'd open a new ISP at this point and expect to get
> any respectable amount of IP space from the RIR right now.

	funny thing about tools.  good ones are around and used for years, decades,
	centuries, while others have a much shorter shelf life.

	the craftsman 3/16" and the 1/4" phillips I got from my grandfather and will
	likely end up w/ one of my grandsons.  the pocket fisherman and the 87blade
	pocket knife are ebay fodder...  

	its not about capitulation, its about usefullness.  the only concern about
	IPv4 these days is one of global uniqueness.  the big win, if you can call it
	a big win is that there is much less potential pressure on the global routing
	table if you stick w/ IPv4. (*)

* in both v4/v6 families, the prospect of fully routing /32s scares to socks off most
  sane engineers.  the horror of v6 is fully routing /48s!!!!

/bill



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