FTTH CPE landscape
Cutler James R
james.cutler at consultant.com
Fri Aug 5 02:25:19 UTC 2011
On Aug 4, 2011, at 7:08 PM, Dan Armstrong wrote:
>
> On 2011-08-04, at 6:43 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Dan White wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/08/11 14:32 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Generic consumer grade NAT/Firewall
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hobby horse: please make sure it support bridge mode? Those of us who
>>>>>>> want to put our own routers on the wire will hate you otherwise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why? As long as it can be a transparent router, why would it need to
>>>>>> be a bridge?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ask a Verizon FiOS customer who wants to run IPv4 VPNs.
>>>>>
>>>>> He didn't say IPv6 only, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a couple of customers who can't get bridge mode on residence FiOS
>>>>> service, and therefore can't run their own routers to terminate IPsec.
>>>>>
>>>> If they could get routed static IPv4 rather than bridge, why wouldn't they
>>>> be able to terminate IPSec VPNs? Note I did say TRANSPARENT router.
>>>> That would mean no NAT and routed static IPv4.
>>>
>>> For residential use, for users currently requesting one public address,
>>> that's a waste of a /30 block (sans routing tricks requiring higher end
>>> customer equipment). Multiply that by the number of residential customers
>>> you have and that's bordering on mismanagement of your address space.
>>>
>> You say waste, I say perfectly valid use.
>>
>>> If you're dealing with business customers, then your usage versus wasted
>>> ratio is much higher and less of a concern, but what's the point? Are you
>>> trying to cut down on a large broadcast domain?
>>>
>> Why is it less of a waste to allocate a /30 to a business using a single public
>> IP than it is to a residence? This makes no sense to me.
>>
>> I simply prefer the additional troubleshooting and other capabilities given
>> to me in a routed environment in most cases.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>
> Realistically, how many home Internet consumers terminate IPSec VPNs?
>
> It seems kind of silly to engineer a network around a tiny fraction of less than 1% of the population, doesn't it?
>
>
It seems kind of silly to engineer a network against a tiny fraction of less than 1% of the population, doesn't it?
James R. Cutler
james.cutler at consultant.com
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