Youtube Geolocation

Carl Rosevear crosevear at
Thu Apr 21 22:46:46 UTC 2011

Quova, Maxmind, and others all return accurate results for everything of
ours I have tested.  Some of the IPs in question have been properly assigned
or delegated to us for several years in whois.  But yeah, thanks for the
input...  I actually hadn't checked Quova until now.  Perhaps Google rolls
their own...


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Mike Schoenfeld <
Mike.Schoenfeld at> wrote:

> I don't know what Google uses but any company using F5 equipment is using
> Quova geolocation services.  You can request updates and check your circuit
> here:
> The problem is that the F5 devices don't update the database files
> automatically, they need to be manually updated.  Unless I get a specific
> request at my company I don't bother updating on a regular basis.
> -Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Rosevear [mailto:crosevear at]
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 6:19 PM
> To: nanog at
> Subject: Re: Youtube Geolocation
> I have had this same problem, followed Google's forms, etc... they never
> seem to fix it.  Its really annoying.
> This is an epic fail on the part of Google in my opinion.  My netblocks all
> show Seattle in whois...  my routing is obviously here...  I don't think we
> have an official address in the UK listed on anything.
> How does Google get this information?  Why don't they possibly ever do
> anything about it?  It makes Google's properties perform abysmally to a
> large percentage of our customer base. And then we get blamed for it.
> And Google does nothing, even after submitting the web form that clearly
> states that they will not get back to us about it but will try to resolve
> the issue.  Its quite hideous really. Its in everyone's worst interest.  How
> about maybe trusting my whois data?  If whois data leads to incorrect
> results then it is in the netblock owners' best interest to update the whois
> data if they want to be directed efficiently with gslb/etc that uses whois
> data as the source.
> And I've been working with ip-geo stuff for years...  I understand that a
> lot of effort has gone into making it "better" than the whois data... but
> every other freaking IP geolocator I type my IP into properly recognizes the
> addresses are in Seattle...  why not Google?
> Anyway, I at the very least commiserate with you if I'm not perhaps making
> some passive-aggressive cry for help from Google or anyone else with a clue
> bat about this issue.  :)  Thanks!
> --C
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Dan White <dwhite at> wrote:
> > We're experiencing very poor quality with You Tube, and it appears
> > we're subject to a bad entry within a geolocation database somewhere.
> >
> > When we attempt to view videos, the contact comes back to us from IPs
> like:
> >
> > (traceroute's through Frankfurt)
> >
> >
> >
> > All of those IPs are >125ms away from us (, and
> >
> >
> > However, we've never experienced redirection problems with Google
> > before (we always land at, so I'm not sure where to
> > take our trouble. The page at:
> >
> >
> >
> > isn't of much help as it assumes the problem is redirection.
> >
> > Are there any contacts at Youtube who could provide some assistance?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Dan White
> >
> >
> --
> Carl Rosevear
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> Skytap, Inc.
> direct (206) 588-8899
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