Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid, Prioritized Traffic?
bjohnson at drtel.com
Mon Sep 13 17:01:55 UTC 2010
>From: William Herrin [mailto:bill at herrin.us]
>Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 11:05 AM
>To: Hank Nussbacher
>Cc: nanog at nanog.org
>Subject: Re: Did Internet Founders Actually Anticipate Paid,Prioritized
>On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Rodrick Brown
<rodrick.brown at gmail.com>
>> Its unrealistic to believe payment for priority access isn't
>> going to happen this model is used for many other outlets
>> today I'm not sure why so many are against it when it comes
>> to net access.
>It's a question of double-billing. I've already paid you to send and
>receive packets on my behalf. Detuning my packets because a second
>party hasn't also paid you is cheating, maybe fraudulent.
>It'd be like the post office treating first class mail like bulk mail
>unless the recipient pays a first class mailbox fee in addition to the
>sender paying for first class delivery.
This is a pretty clunky analogy. First class mail is treated differently
(better?) than bulk mail in the USPS. There is no double payment for
>On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Leo Bicknell <bicknell at ufp.org>
>> However, the proposed "remedies" of banning all filtering ever, or
>> requiring free peering to everyone (taking both to the extreme, of
>> course) don't match the operational real world. Many of those who
>> are pushing for network neutrality are pushing for an ideal that
>> the network simply cannot deliver, no matter what.
>The network could deliver "cost-reimbursable" peering, in which any
>service provider above a particular size is by regulation compelled to
>provide peering at the cost of the basic connection in at least one
>location in each state in which they operate Internet infrastructure.
>As a matter of simple fairness, someone else has already paid them to
>move the packets. Why should you have to pay them more than the cost
>of the port?
So for clarity... who pays for the peering?
>A small number of transit-frees would resent it, but it would damage
>them only in that it levels the playing field for small businesses,
>enhancing the small businesses' capabilities without enhancing their
HUH? Inanimate objects (transit-frees) do not have the ability to
Providers being forced to do something do not resent it (unless they are
personally Invested), but they do have to recover their costs and as
such would have to raise rates given nothing else changes.
>> Rather than network neutrality, I'd simply like to see truth in
>> advertising applied.
>Now you're talking about something that truly can't happen. You can't
>sell a service that, on paper, delivers less than the other guy's.
>Advertising is a constant race to the bottom because that's the
>behavior consumers reward.
I'm with you here. Keep in mind that it is the CONSUMER'S RESPONSIBILITY
to understand what they are buying. I've seen tons of people buy
something, not understanding it, then, realizing their mistake, blaming
I have also seen providers blatantly use wordsmithing (is that a word?)
to "trick" people into buying there snake oil. Then hold people to
contracts entered under suspicious circumstances.
It's all so frustrating.
- Brian J.
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