Recommendations for Metro-Ethernet Equipment

Thu Oct 21 19:05:37 UTC 2010

Thanks to everyone who responded. Just got done talking with Extreme which
no one really mentioned. Seems like decent gear reasonably priced. Anyone
care to comment on them specifically or have them used them a metro Ethernet
build? 

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Eric Merkel
MetaLINK Technologies, Inc.
Email: merkel at metalink.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Armstrong [mailto:dan at beanfield.com] 
Sent: 2010-10-20 19:50
To: Ramanpreet Singh
Cc: Jason Lixfeld; nanog at nanog.org
Subject: Re: Recommendations for Metro-Ethernet Equipment

I think that's what Jason just said. :-)

On 2010-10-20, at 5:24 PM, Ramanpreet Singh wrote:

> 7600's/ASR 1k
> 
> Have you looked in to Ciso ME 3600X/ME 3800X series?
> 
> Without a bias these are the top notch products in the market for Metro E.
> 
> -Raman
> 
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Jason Lixfeld <jason at lixfeld.ca> wrote:
>> On 2010-10-20, at 11:24 AM, Eric Merkel wrote:
>> 
>>> Any suggestions, success or horror stories are appreciated. ;)
>> 
>> I've been going through pretty much the same exercise looking for a
decent PE for almost two years.  Our requirements were for a PE device that
had between 12-24 ports (in a perfect world, mixed mode 10/100/1000 copper +
SFP), 10G uplinks, EoMPLS, MPLS VPN, DHCP server, port-protect/UNI (or
similar) capabilities, DC power and a small footprint (1RU)
>> 
>> Of all the ones we looked at (Juniper, Cisco, Extreme, Brocade, MRV,
Alcatel) initially, MRV was the only contender.  The rest either didn't have
a product, or their offering didn't meet various points within our criteria.
>> 
>> As such, we bought a bunch of MRVs in early 2009 and after four months of
trial and error, we yanked every single one out of the network.  From a
physical perspective, the box was perfect.  Port density was perfect,
mixed-mode ports, promised a 10G uplink product soon, size was perfect,
power was perfect, we thought we had it nailed.  Unfortunately there are no
words to describe how terrible the software was.  The CLI took a little
getting used to, which is pretty much par for the course when you're dealing
with a new vendor, but the code itself was just absolutely broken,
everywhere.  Duplex issues, LDP constantly crashing taking the box with it,
OSPF issues, the list went on and on.  To their credit, they flew engineers
up from the US and they were quite committed to making stuff work, but at
the end of the day, they just couldn't make it go.  We pulled the plug in
May 2009 and I haven't heard a thing about their product since then, so
maybe they've got it all together.
>> 
>> While meeting with Juniper a few months later about a different project,
they said they had a product that might fit our needs.  The EX4200.  As
such, we had a few of these loaned to our lab for a few months to put
through their paces, from a features and interoperability perspective.  They
work[1] and they seem to work well.  The show stopper was provisioning[1]
and size.  The box is massive, albeit it is still 1U.
>> 
>> [1] (I'm not a Juniper guy, so my recollection on specific terms and
jargon may be a bit off kilter) they only support ccc, which makes
provisioning an absolute nightmare.  From my experience with Cisco and MRV,
you only have to configure the EoMPLS vc.  On the EX4200, you have to create
the LSPs as well.  To get a ccc working, the JunOS code block was far larger
and much more involved per vc than the single line Cisco equivalent.  To
create the LSPs was, I believe, two more equally large sized code blocks.
At the end of the day, it was just too involved.  We needed something
simpler.
>> 
>> About the same time that we started to evaluate the EX4200, Cisco had
pitched us on their (then alpha) Whales platform.  It looked promising (MRV
still had the best form factor) and we expressed our interest in getting a
beta unit in as soon as we were able to.  This is now known as the ME3600
and ME3800 platform and we've been testing a beta unit in our lab for the
past few months.  This is the platform we have chosen.  It's not perfect,
but our gripes have more to do with form factor (it's 1RU, but it's a bit
deeper than what we'd like) and port densities (no mixed mode ports) than
software or features.  We've been pretty pleased with it's feature set and
performance, but this hasn't seen any real world action, so who knows how
that will turn out.
>> 
>> If you're asking more about a P router or P/PE hybrid, we've also just
ordered a few ASR9000s under try-and-buy as P/PEs to close up the chains of
ME3600s that will start to be deployed in our remote sites.  A Juniper MX
would certainly work well here too, and it seems to interoperate rather well
with the ME3600s, so that's certainly an option, but for us, we think it
will work more in our favor to go with the ASRs in the core, but if not,
we'd ship them back under the try-and-buy and get Junipers instead.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
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