Definitive Guide to IPv6 adoption

Leslie Nobile leslien at
Tue Oct 19 20:59:24 CDT 2010

Quick FYI - ARIN has a documented appeals process that an organization can
use if they believe that ARIN staff did not follow community-established
policies in the review of their resource request.  Here is the link:


Leslie Nobile
Director, Registration Services
American Registry for Internet Numbers

On 10/19/10 2:21 PM, "Owen DeLong" <owen at> wrote:

> On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Jack Bates wrote:
>> On 10/19/2010 4:29 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> No... ARIN hands out a MINIMUM /32. A medium sized ISP should be asking for
>>> larger.
>> ME: I really need larger space
>> ARIN: We don't see how you can justify it, and we hardly ever give larger
>> than /32
> Did you send them a customer count exceeding about 25,000 customers and point
> out that
> you were giving /48s to each of them? If you did, they would not have had a
> leg to stand on.
> However, there has been a bit of a learning curve with ARIN staff and IPv6,
> so, there have
> been some errant denials. I'm working on policy to further expand their
> ability to approve
> larger allocations. Expect to see it posted in the next week or so.
>>> or, if you have larger POPs, start with a /24 and
>>> /32 regional assignment supporting 256 regional assignments
>>> /36 for 16 pops per region
>>> /48 for 4,096 customer end-sites per POP
>> Ideal solution, but don't see it happening
> Why not?
>>> ARIN thinks a /32 is the MINIMUM for an ISP. Not the Maximum. Several ISPs
>>> have received larger than /32 and all you need to do is show a reasonable
>>> justification for the space.
>> See above. You think I asked for a /32? While I'd probably desire a /24 for
>> ease of routing and management, I'd only asked for a /31 and was turned down
>> with the "Very few will get more than a /32."
> When did you ask? If it was more than 6 months ago, then, I would suggest
> asking again. If it was less than 6
> months ago, can you send me any or all of the correspondence so I can address
> it with Leslie and try and
> get whatever training issues remain resolved?
>> Hey, perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps I asked too early, even though I purposefully
>> delayed asking.
> If ARIN is incorrectly denying requests, I'll definitely work on getting that
> resolved.
>> and from your other reply:
>>> Yep... Best not to argue with Jack... A much better strategy, IMHO, is to
>>> better serve his former customers.
>> Good luck on that. My customers like my service and the lengths we go for
>> them. Obviously, there are always those who are discontent, but we listen to
>> what they want and need, and we make it happen. Feel free to come to rural
>> Oklahoma and compete. The prefix rotation argument has been covered before,
>> which is why I'd rather keep it to the original argument and probably
>> shouldn't have mentioned it since it always creates a side topic.
> The beauty is that we don't have to come to rural OK to compete. We can just
> let them use whatever stingy amount
> of address space you provide to get a tunnel to us.
> Owen

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