ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time

Fri Oct 1 23:03:56 UTC 2010

On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:27 PM, George Bonser wrote:

> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ricky Beam 
>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:00 PM
>> To: nanog at nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
>> 
>> On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 06:45:10 -0400, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
>> wrote:
>>> It's not so much a matter of whether ARIN cares or whether ARIN
> wants
>>> to do something about your issue. It's more a matter of whether ARIN
>>> is empowered to do anything at all about your issue.
>> 
>> EXACTLY.
>> 
>> Ron, what exactly do you expect ARIN to do?  Where is the magic wand
>> one
>> would wave to erase routes from the internet?  ARIN (in fact NO ONE)
>> has
>> no actual means to block or recend any route announcement.  Do you
>> suggest
>> they sue whomever is involved?  That won't be very fast, or even an
>> option
>> outside the US.
> 
> 
> The problem as I see it is that ARIN is responsible for issuing number
> resources but is not responsible for any maintenance of the number
> space.  It seems they have no requirement/method/need to revoke
> assignments once the assigned entity no longer exists.  I am not looking

They do, indeed, for space that is/was issued by ARIN. That space is
subject to annual fees and there is a clear and consistent method
for doing so. The bigger problem is with legacy space (most of the
space listed in the complaint we are discussing, if not all).

In the case of legacy space, it's actually very hard for ARIN to even
identify the status of the organization in question, let alone take
any sort of action with respect to said space.

> for perfection but there should be some sort of diligence requirement
> that the most obvious of the low hanging fruit (or fruit that falls
> right off the tree into their lap) be dealt with in some way.  If an
> entity liquidates, then their resources should be reclaimed.  
> 
Again, for space issued by ARIN, yes. For legacy space, this is a much
more complicated problem.

The good news is that this is limited to IPv4. Since there are no Pre-RIR
IPv6 allocations or assignments, it is a non-issue in IPv6.

> How many entities does ARIN have who have not made a payment for 2 or
> more consecutive years but still have resources assigned?  It is my

I suspect not many. (Unless you are including those organizations
that do not pay fees because of their legacy status).

Owen