RINA - scott whaps at the nanog hornets nest :-)

Sat Nov 6 01:40:30 UTC 2010

On Nov 5, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 15:32:30 -0700
> "Scott Weeks" <surfer at mauigateway.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> It's really quiet in here.  So, for some Friday fun let me whap at the hornets nest and see what happens...  >;-)
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.ionary.com/PSOC-MovingBeyondTCP.pdf
>> 
> 
> Who ever wrote that doesn't know what they're talking about. LISP is
> not the IETF's proposed solution (the IETF don't have one, the IRTF do),

Um, I would not agree. The IRTF RRG considered and is documenting a lot of things, but did not
come to any consensus as to which one should be a "proposed solution."

Regards
Marshall

> and streaming media was seen to be one of the early applications of the
> Internet - these types of applications is why TCP was split out of
> IP, why UDP was invented, and why UDP has has a significantly
> different protocol number to TCP.
> 
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>> "NAT is your friend"
>> 
>> "IP doesn’t handle addressing or multi-homing well at all"
>> 
>> "The IETF’s proposed solution to the multihoming problem is 
>> called LISP, for Locator/Identifier Separation Protocol. This
>> is already running into scaling problems, and even when it works,
>> it has a failover time on the order of thirty seconds."
>> 
>> "TCP and IP were split the wrong way"
>> 
>> "IP lacks an addressing architecture"
>> 
>> "Packet switching was designed to complement, not replace, the telephone 
>> network. IP was not optimized to support streaming media, such as voice, 
>> audio broadcasting, and video; it was designed to not be the telephone 
>> network."
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 
>> And so, "...the first principle of our proposed new network architecture: Layers are recursive."
>> 
>> I can hear the angry hornets buzzing already.  :-)
>> 
>> scott
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