Broadband initiatives - impact to your network?

Marshall Eubanks tme at
Tue Jun 29 11:38:39 UTC 2010

On Jun 29, 2010, at 12:59 AM, joel jaeggli wrote:

> If the data you need to preload is sufficiently large (e.g. 10s or  
> hundreds of terabytes then yeah it should come as no surprise that  
> it might be more convenient to move by shifting around disks. 100TB  
> of raw disk is around $8000.

The cost of equipment is not the driver here, as you can presumably  
reuse it.

Looking around, I can find a 2 Terabyte drive with a ship weight of 2  
pounds. To ship this from Virginia
to Cupertino, California overnight by FedEx is $ 53.46, and I can mail  
them back for $ 14.50. Assuming that "overnight" is a 24 hour delay,  
this is an effective bandwidth of 185 Mbps. If I do this every weekday  
for a month (20 days), I have shipped 40 Terabytes for $ 1359.20, so I  
have an effective "work week bandwidth cost" of $ 7.34 / Mbps / Month,  
which seems fairly competitive, especially as I can turn this on and  
off as needed (e.g., I don't have to pay for Holidays).

So, depending on need, the shipment of physical media may be cost  
competitive, as well as merely convenient.


> On 2010-06-28 21:50, JC Dill wrote:
>> Jonathan Feldman wrote:
>>> I'm one of the reporters who covers broadband and cloud computing  
>>> for
>>> InformationWeek magazine (, and it's
>>> interesting to me that one of the issues with cloud adoption has  
>>> to do
>>> with the limited pipe networks available in this country. For  
>>> example,
>>> it's not feasible to do a massive data load through the networks  
>>> that
>>> are currently available -- you need to FedEx a hard drive to Amazon.
>>> Holy cow, it's SneakerNet for the 21st Century!
>> What's wrong with this? It's not feasible to build a network that  
>> spans
>> many ISPs and backbones, capable of doing massive data loads, if the
>> demand for these loads (e.g. "upload all our data to a cloud  
>> computing
>> system") is infrequent and usually one-time-only - which it seems  
>> to be.
>> It's not as if there's a huge performance hit to using FedEx to solve
>> this problem - what is the benefit to the customer in having it all
>> happen within hours instead of 1-2 days?
>> There are other, far more often desired or accessed services (e.g.  
>> video
>> on demand, video teleconferencing) that absolutely need high  
>> performance
>> big pipe bandwidth, whose needs can not be met with FedEx.  
>> Customers who
>> need to access or offer video-on-demand are far more willing to pay,
>> month after month, for access to a high performance backbone. Your
>> average corporate customer isn't going to be willing to pay
>> month-after-month for a super big super fast pipe (faster than they  
>> need
>> for their everyday internet access purposes) just so that they can -
>> once - upload their entire corporate database to "the cloud" faster  
>> than
>> they can FedEx disks to their chosen cloud provider.
>> Look at the business case (or lack thereof) for the service before  
>> you
>> ask "why isn't this available". Unless/until there's a business  
>> case for
>> many customers to pay for the service, there's not going to be any
>> purpose in creating the product.
>> jc

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