On the control of the Internet.

Joe Greco jgreco at ns.sol.net
Sun Jun 13 20:54:54 UTC 2010

> On 6/13/2010 14:59, Joe Greco wrote:
> > What happens?  The master zone simply doesn't get updated until someone
> > FedEx's a floppy.  You know, some of us made these sorts of contingency
> > plans long ago, back in days when the Internet actually wasn't all that
> > reliable, and it wasn't completely unthinkable to be off the air for at
> > least 24 hours.
> Interesting plan.
> I've got a Gateway computer down stairs that can write a 3.5 inch floppy
> and a Micron tower (running Windows 2000 the last time it was powered
> up) that can write 5 inch floppies.

If we want to be pedantic, Sony this year announced that it is shutting
down its production of floppy disks by next year.  Of course, the choice
of "floppy disk" is irrelevant, and I'm guessing you know it.  If your
devices are more comfortable with CD-ROM or USB MicroSD readers, then by
all means.

Long before NANOG, there was actually a time that some of us hauled
around things like USENET on magnetic media, because it was simply the
highest bandwidth yet cheapest method to haul large amounts of data
around the city, back when a Telebit Trailblazer was still vaguely able
to cope with a USENET feed - and for a little while thereafter.

> When I left active administration in 2003, out of 30 or so machines
> running BIND I can't recall one that has a floppy drive of any sort.

If your network has been so thoroughly taken over that you cannot hope
to get a file from a computer that does have a floppy over to your DNS
server, you have Much Bigger Problems to begin with...

> > It's not that rough, these days, to install some monitoring to make sure
> > that your zones are up to date on the secondaries and that they resolve
> > names correctly; some operators used to even get really super-freakazoid
> > and do zone transfers back to allow verification.  Here, we draw the line 
> > at checking the SOA's for consistency and checking one other beacon record
> > for resolvability.  That's clearly not a solution aimed at warning about
> > non-transferable zones; it raises some interesting questions.  Think maybe
> > I'll go asking on dnsops what, if anything, people do to monitor.
> "monitor" implies connectivity.  The OP was about the possibility that
> the government would deny you connectivity.  Please try to stay n topic.

Our monitoring systems are definitely able to detect when connectivity 
goes away.  What happens if and when that happens is generally left up
to a human to decide.  The sorts of brokenness that one might potentially
discover if the government were to corrupt connectivity is much more
complex than simple on/off; I feel comfortable saying that the best plan
is to have diversity of resources and some in-depth knowledge, since that
also serves normal engineering needs well.

... JG
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
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