ARIN IP6 policy for those with legacy IP4 Space

Kevin Stange kevin at
Thu Apr 8 15:03:02 CDT 2010

On 04/08/2010 02:17 PM, Joe Greco wrote:
>> If we just eliminated the RIRs and agreements governing terms of access
>> to v6 allocations, IF later, we find a problem with the process and
>> start to run out of space, we end up in the same situation.  Suddenly we
>> have to form these organizations again, and institute new allocation
>> policies for new allocations, but again lack any recourse for all those
>> people that "greedily" ate up as much space as they could.
> Then guard against _that_, which is a real problem.

That /is/ the RIRs' function now.  ARIN policy is not immutable.
Proposals to change it are welcomed.  I see no reason that we have to
throw ARIN out of this picture in order to solve your perceived problem
of too much regulation and overhead.

>> I think there's a continued need to keep an organization in charge of
>> accounting for the space to whom we as resource holders are accountable
>> and whom is also accountable to us.  Later on, when we realize we've
>> gone wrong somewhere (and it will happen) and need to make changes to
>> policy, there is a process by which we can do it where all the parties
>> involved already have an established relationship.
> That sets off my radar detector a bit.  If you're justifying the need 
> for current policies with that statement, I'd have to disagree...  the
> desire to potentially make changes in the future is not itself a 
> compelling reason to have strongly worded agreements.  Even in v4land,
> we've actually determined that one of the few relatively serious 
> reasons we'd like to reclaim space (depletion) is probably impractical.
> With that in mind, claims that there needs to be thorough accounting
> kind of comes off like "trust us, we're in charge, we know what we need
> but we can't really explain it aside from invoking the boogeyman."

ARIN doesn't so simply say "trust us, we're in charge."  Every dealing
I've ever had with the organization has encouraged me to participate in
the policy making process in some regard.  Ideally policy should
appropriately reflect how the regional users of IP resources feel things
should be managed and hand down terms for allocation to match.

The intention is for the accountability to go in both directions, from
resource holders to the RIR and from the RIR to the community.  If you
don't think that's working for ARIN, I'm sure ARIN can be fixed.

Kevin Stange
Chief Technology Officer
Steadfast Networks
Phone: 312-602-2689 ext. 203 | Fax: 312-602-2688 | Cell: 312-320-5867

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