Repeated Blacklisting / IP reputation
jgreco at ns.sol.net
Wed Sep 9 14:20:15 UTC 2009
> ARIN's role as the entity engaged in legal contractual relationship with
> the previous owners of the space puts it in the position to insert
> enforceable contract clauses to deter and/or mitigate "graffiti" in
That's complicated. How do you define "graffiti"? Just for starters.
Given that even a whitehat network can generate occasional complaints,
and most commercial networks generate various levels of cruft, would
you consider it "graffiti" if a block of IP space assigned to a hotel
wifi network in Seattle got itself permanently ACL'ed by a college in
Miami, when someone inadvertently omitted the port 25 filter, and as a
result, the mail admins in Miami judged that the likelihood of ever
receiving legitimate mail from there was about 0.0001%? How would you
> Policy proposals probably are not required for this.
> Space originally from outside ARIN, thats another kettle of fish.
> ARIN is also in the position to refuse allocations for entities who dont
> clean up after themselves. Policy likely required.
How exactly do you do that? Spammers don't mind submitting fraudulent
applications. How does ARIN tell that SpamNetA is actually the same
operation as FooIspB, even though they might be legally registered as
> And finally, if this problem continues to worsen (as it likely will when
> greenfield becomes scarce), a viable business opportunity should emerge
> for reputable organizations to do cleanup on behalf of the new owners,
> for a reasonable fee/retainer and after suitable financial/contractual
> Cost of business, efficiency of scale and all that. Perhaps the bill
> could even be sent to the previous owners.
That's likely to stand up in court. Not.
> Operationally, I dont see how the problem can be mitigated solely by
> those who are already informed.
I agree that it's problematic.
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
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