Interesting Point of view - Russian police and RIPE accused of aiding RBN

Jeffrey Lyon jeffrey.lyon at
Sat Oct 24 18:28:41 UTC 2009

The decision to filter networks should remain with the collective
network operators. Everyone, even criminals, has a "right" to
distribute content but it's up to each operator to decide if that
content will be allowed to transit their network. Personally, if an
entire /22 does not have a single legitimate resource on it in the
case of *and* is widely suspected of being
owned/operated by a criminal enterprise then filtering makes sense.

Historically it takes a few pioneers to present a case for filtering
specific networks before larger networks will begin to see the light.


On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Daniel Karrenberg
<daniel.karrenberg at> wrote:
> On 24.10 03:05, Paul Bosworth wrote:
>> I think the larger point is that ripe turned a blind eye to an
>> internationally recognized criminal network.
> That may be a point but not a convincing one.
> Imagine the outcry on this list if ARIN were to deny some organisation
> address space or ASNs just because they are "internationally recognised"
> criminals.  Wouldn't we demand a little more due process?
> Especially since the alternatives are not as easy as walking to the
> next fastfood joint.
> The RIPE NCC operates in a region where whole sovereign states call each
> other criminals or worse on a daily basis.
> The only tenable position for each RIR is to strictly apply the
> policies developed in its bottom-up self-regulatory process.  Doing
> anything else would require intervention via a proper legal process,
> e.g.  a *judge* with appropriate jurisdiction telling the RIR that
> its actions are unlawful.
> Frustration is a bad advisor when trying to stop crime, unrelenting
> application of due process is the only way ... frustrating as it may be.
> Daniel Karrenberg
> Chief Scientist RIPE NCC
> Speaking only for himself as is customary here.
> PS: This is old news, compare
> And see the press release that Marco pointed out.
> Daniel

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