ISP port blocking practice
justin at justinshore.com
Thu Oct 22 22:39:46 UTC 2009
Zhiyun Qian wrote:
> Hi all,
> What is the common practice for enforcing port blocking policy (or what
> is the common practice for you and your ISP)? More specifically, when
> ISPs try to block certain outgoing port (port 25 for instance), they
> could do two rules:
> 1). For any outgoing traffic, if the destination port is 25, then drop
> the packets.
> 2). For any incoming traffic, if the source port is 25, then drop the
I block on both generally. I block inbound and outbound for residential
customers in dynamic pools. I block inbound only for residential with
statically-assigned IPs. That way a customer can request (and pay for)
a static IP and be able to get around out outbound SMTP block. Few
companies use the MSP port (tcp/587). I'm not sure why more don't make
the effort but most don't. To make up for that we allow static
residential customers to evade that filter with a static IP. We still
block inbound though. We also allow them to use our SMTP servers and
SmartHosts if they want with no requirements on source domains (like
some providers require, essentially requiring the customer to advertise
for you). The inbound block isn't really all that useful as you elude
to. However I use it more often than not to look for people scanning
out ranges for open relays. I use that data for feed my RTBH trigger
router and drop the spammer's traffic on the floor (or the poor,
unfortunate owner of the compromised PC that's been 0wned.
We block several other things too. Netbios traffic gets dropped both
ways. MS-SQL traffic gets dropped both ways (a few users have
complained about this but very few stick to their guns when you point
out that their traffic is traversing the web completely unencrypted). I
block default and common proxy ports such as 3128, 7212, and 6588 in
both directions. Squid is too easy to misconfigure (done it myself).
GhostSurf and WinGate have both been abusable as open proxies in various
releases. I also block 8000, 8080 and 8081 towards the customers.
These are some of our most commonly scanned ports (usually all 3 at once
plus some or all of the 80xx ones). I've encountered many compromised
residential CPEs that the users either enabled themselves or were
enabled by default. I don't block those 3 ports on outbound flows
though; too many false positives.
And finally we also block several different types of ICMPs. First off
we block ICMP fragments. Then we permit echo, echo-reply,
packet-too-big, and time-exceeded. The rest get explicitly dropped.
IPv6 will change this list dramatically. I haven't had time to research
ICMPv6 thoroughly enough to say any more than that.
Basically I just pick out some of the really bad ports and block them.
This gives me a wealth of data with which to null-route compromised PCs
scanning my networks.
> Also, is it common that the rules are based on tcp flags (e.g. SYN,
> SYN-ACK)? One would think block SYN packet is good enough.
I don't get that deep into it. Forged packets of types other than SYN
can still reek havoc on existing flows. I think it's better to block
all and move on.
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