fight club :) richard bennett vs various nanogers, on paid peering

Darren Bolding darren at
Wed Nov 25 15:04:56 CST 2009

Whether or not Mr Bennett has any idea what he is talking about- and I have
started to develop an opinion on that subject myself- I really would rather
not see Nanog become a forum for partisan political discussion.  There are
_lots_ of places for that, which as a political junkie I read regularly.

I like Nanog in part because it typically steers clear of this sort of thing
(and you know the mailing list charter sez....) and in some way serves as a
refreshing change between reading Daily Kos and Powerline blogs.

I will also say that while Mr Bennett's affiliation and paycheck have some
relevance to interpreting what he says, it isn't justification for tossing
everything he says out.  If he seems to have no idea what he is talking
about, that is reason for tossing out what he says.

One final point- referring to conservadems is about as telling about
perspective as certain people referring to RINO's.  Bennett hasn't said
anything blatantly partisan (perhaps he is to polished for that), his
critics certainly have.  You diminish your argument by doing so.

I say all this even though some of the people getting engaged in this are
people I've known for a while and respect a great deal, and others are ones
I've read on Nanog for a number of years.

I'm actually intersted in the substantive content, but I'd rather avoid the
rest if you wouldn't mind.

Thanks for listening,


On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:13 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks at> wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:32:02 PST, Richard Bennett said:
> >                        ITIF is not opposed to network neutrality
> > in principle, having released a paper on "A Third Way on Network
> > Neutrality",
> All of four paragraphs, which don't in fact address what the provider is or
> is
> not providing to Joe Sixpack - point 1 says discriminatory plans are OK as
> long
> as the discriminatory are on display in the cellar of the ISP office, with
> no
> stairs, in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused
> lavatory
> with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard.
> And points 2 and 3 are saying that this should all be overseen by the same
> agencies that oversaw the previous decade's massive buildout of fiber to
> the
> home that was financed by massive multi-billion dollar incentives.
> Oh wait, those billions got pocketed - if the massive fiber buildout had
> happened, we'd have so much bandwidth that neutrality wouldn't be an
> issue...
> But then, the Republicans keep saying they are not opposed to health care
> reform in principle either...

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