AT&T SMTP Admin contact?

Joel Jaeggli joelja at
Tue Nov 24 18:27:14 UTC 2009

Valdis.Kletnieks at wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:50:54 EST, Brad Laue said:
>> maintained. I'm unclear as to why mail administrators don't work more 
>> proactively with things like SenderID and SPF, as these seem to be far 
>> more maintainable in the long-run than an ever-growing list of IP 
>> address ranges.
> There's a difference between maintainable and usable.  Yes, letting the remote
> end maintain their SenderID and SPF is more scalable, and both do at least a
> plausible job of answering "Is this mail claiming to be from really
> from". However, there's like 140M+ .coms now, and  neither of them
> actually tell you what you really want to know, which is "do I want e-mail from
> or not?".  Especially when the spammer is often in cahoots with the
> DNS admins...

identify framework with trust anchors and reputation management are not
things that spf or pra actually solve. spammers can publish spf and
senderid records and in fact arguably have more incentive to do so if it
can be demonstrated that your mail is more likely to be accepted on the
basis of their existence.

> On the other hand, I can, by looking at my logs, develop a fairly good sense of
> "do I have any real non-spam traffic from that address range?". Yes, it's more
> work, but it's also more likely to actually answer the question that I wanted
> answered.

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