Joe Blanchard jbfixurpc at
Wed Jun 24 23:27:25 UTC 2009

Yes, allow records and perhaps a phone tap, but not held liable for the
means to a crime as suggested in earlier

Again, lets get back to suitable content. We could certainly go on an on
about the legal items
but of what relevance is it to NANOG. 

Kind Regards,
-Joe Blanchard 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Bates [mailto:jbates at] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 7:14 PM
> To: Joe Blanchard
> Cc: 'Rod Beck'; 'Steven M. Bellovin'; trelane at; 
> 'NANOG list'
> Subject: Re: tor
> Joe Blanchard wrote:
> > My gosh...
> > 
> > Ok, so if someone happens to talk about murder over the 
> phone, is the 
> > phone company providing the service held liable?
> > 
> > Lets get back to rational/informative content please.
> The phone company still has to provide records of who owns 
> the phone number and perhaps allow a tap of the phone 
> depending on court orders. I seem to have to maintain a CALEA 
> server and compliance which I will probably never use but is 
> mandated by law. If the courts find they can never find the 
> owner of an IP, then the laws will mandate that we maintain 
> such records; and in fact, there has been more than one bill 
> for provisioning the storage of all emails for subpoena purposes.
> I'm not familiar with TOR, but I suspect that governments can 
> still step through it to find the person responsible if 
> perhaps a bit more time consuming.
> Jack

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