spamhaus drop list

Patrick W. Gilmore patrick at
Tue Jun 16 20:52:36 UTC 2009

On Jun 16, 2009, at 4:43 PM, Peter Dambier wrote:

> Another problem with spamhaus, they want to earn money.
> The Pirates Party in germany is a nonprofit.
> Nevertheless our mailers use a fixed addresses and when
> you query spamhaus long enough from a fixed address
> you are put on a blacklist and fed wrong information.
> Time and again all mails bounced. Every new mail admin
> went through this cycle :)

I know.  Who would expect that when you use a resource, the people who  
own and pay for that resource might want to be compensated?  The least  
they should do is make these rules clear and prominent on their  
website so you could know before you use the resource!

Oh, wait, they do....


> Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>> On Jun 16, 2009, at 2:00 PM, Quinn Mahoney wrote:
>>> Is there a competing droplist, that can be compared against  
>>> Spamhaus's
>>> droplist?  That seems like an extraordinary claim, so I'm not  
>>> satisfied
>>> with the evidence provided.  Is this not the best droplist?
>> Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.  Mr. Anderson gives
>> little proof at all, and not even close to extraordinary proof, IMHO.
>> My personal experience is that Spamhaus is highly respectable
>> organization.  They are by no means perfect, but I trust their  
>> judgement
>> to a high degree, FWIW.  The Spamhaus DNSRBLs are, I believe, the  
>> most
>> used on the Internet.  This suggests the rest of the Internet has a
>> different opinion than Mr. Anderson.
>> I have not used MAPS, so I cannot comment on its utility.  but I have
>> never heard a single credible claim Mr. Vixie is a spammer, more or  
>> less
>> a verifiable one.  (Yes, that includes the claim below.)  From my
>> personal experience, Mr. Vixie is very much the opposite of a  
>> spammer.
>> Mr. Vixie gave the Keynote speech at the NANOG conference  
>> yesterday, so
>> I would submit the community at large disagrees with Mr. Anderson's
>> assessment.
>> SORBS is probably not as highly regarded as Spamhaus, but as with  
>> Vixie,
>> not one credible claim has ever been made that Michelle is a spammer,
>> including the below.  Again, the opposite is reality, and probably to
>> the same extent as Vixie.  (I.e. Some people think they go too far in
>> fighting spam, not in sending it.)
>> Finally, John Levine is not a spammer either.  I'm kinda tired of  
>> giving
>> proof, so take my word for it, or not, as you please.
>> Anyway, just some personal opinions from someone who has had personal
>> interaction with the people involved and used two of the three  
>> products
>> mentioned.  Not sure this was operational, but I felt the need to  
>> step
>> up and defend people after you forwarded the outrageous claims  
>> below to
>> the list.  (No one on the list saw Mr. Anderson's claims other than  
>> you,
>> because you were personally CC'ed.)
>> End of day, your network, your choice.  I think you know mine.
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