Nanog mentioned on BBC news website

Marshall Eubanks tme at
Fri Jul 24 23:25:44 UTC 2009

On Jul 23, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:

> Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any errors.
> On Jul 23, 2009, at 4:27, Jim Mercer <jim at> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:44:21PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>>> My fav part:
>>> <quote>
>>> "That's precisely how packets move around the internet, sometimes  
>>> in a
>>> many as 25 or 30 hops with the intervening entities passing the data
>>> around having no contractual or legal obligation to the original
>>> sender or to the receiver."
>>> </quote>
>>> How many of you pass packets without getting paid?
>> in the case of intervening entities, it is true that they have no  
>> link to
>> the sender or receiver.  my packets from office to home can  
>> traverse at 3
>> or more networks that are not paid by me, or my company.
>> they likely have contracts or obligations with their immediate  
>> neighbours,
>> which is basically why the system continues to work.
> I honestly expected someone to mention this when I wrote the  
> original post, but I had hopes no one would. :-)
> It is clear the intent of the TED speaker was the intermediaries  
> were transiting packets out of the good of their hearts.
> Allow me to illustrate:
> The postal system is amazing!  You can mail a letter from the US to  
> England and the "intermediate" carrier will deliver the mail even  
> though they have NO contract with you or the recipient!  How awesome  
> is that?
> This is not fantasy.  You give it to the USPS, who will hand it to  
> DHL, who will hand it to Royal Mail, who will hand it to the  
> recipient.  Does _anyone_ comment on the lack of your contract with  
> DHL?  Is anyone surprised it still works? Is it worthy of a TED talk?

You obviously don't understand the executive briefings industry !


> -- 
> patrick

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