Nanog mentioned on BBC news website

William Herrin herrin-nanog at
Thu Jul 23 20:38:24 UTC 2009

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Jim Mercer<jim at> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:44:21PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>> My fav part:
>> <quote>
>> "That's precisely how packets move around the internet, sometimes in a
>> many as 25 or 30 hops with the intervening entities passing the data
>> around having no contractual or legal obligation to the original
>> sender or to the receiver."
>> </quote>
>> How many of you pass packets without getting paid?
> in the case of intervening entities, it is true that they have no link to
> the sender or receiver.  my packets from office to home can traverse at 3
> or more networks that are not paid by me, or my company.

If I pay you to send my packets and you pay bob to send my packets
then I have paid bob to send my packets. Transitive property of
payment. ;-)

'Couse bob doesn't pay claire anything but denise pays claire to
receive packets for denise, my packets are intended for denise and bob
and claire have a peering agreement in which they agree to swap
already-paid traffic directly rather than both paying ed to do it for

So it ain't free and at each step there is a contractual obligation to
at least one of the sender or receiver.


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