Level 3 - "legacy" Wiltel/Looking Glass bandwidth
Eric Nowland, Wyoming.com
eric.nowland at wyoming.com
Thu Jul 2 17:21:21 UTC 2009
Will Orton wrote:
> We have an old Wiltel DS3 homed from their Anaheim POP... all traffic that's
> not going to destinations on the old 7911 backbone seems to be backhauled to
> Level3 in San Jose before getting anywhere else, like so:
>
> 1 (internal)
> 2 (internal)
> 3 (internal)
> 4 anhmca1wcx1-atm10-0-0.wcg.net (64.200.142.169) 8.017 ms 8.596 ms 8.138 ms
> 5 anhmca1wcx3-oc48.wcg.net (64.200.143.65) 9.325 ms 8.056 ms 9.485 ms
> 6 64.200.249.122 (64.200.249.122) 79.108 ms 251.438 ms 222.596 ms
> 7 64.200.249.142 (64.200.249.142) 16.357 ms 16.167 ms 17.004 ms
> 8 te-3-2-70.car4.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.68.110.25) 12.568 ms 13.195 ms 13.384 ms
>
> So they don't seem to interconnect 7911 and 3356 in Los Angeles. We complained
> about this a year ago and they basically said, "tough, you bought IP transit,
> we're giving you IP transit".
>
> Anyway, so in the meantime we bougt a new gig-e to 3356 in San Jose...
>
>
> 1 (internal)
> 2 (internal)
> 3 (internal)
> 4 (internal)
> 5 ge-x-x.car4.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.71.x.x) 9.063 ms 7.780 ms 8.460 ms
>
>
We have had the same issues with the Broadwing network. Our OC-3
connections are in Wyoming and they lugged everything through Salt Lake
and then to San Jose adding about 30 - 50 ms. We placed orders with
Level 3 to move them onto the Level 3 POP's last year and so far we have
one of them up that they finished last week.
> So it almost looks like my gig-e in San Jose is off the same router they
> backhaul 7911/Anaheim via.
>
> I wouldn't take a new connection to 7911 unless you're okay with this sort of
> thing. Performance has been fine other than the 5-10ms of extra latency, but the
> asthetics bug me more than anything. If they communicated more about what
> they're doing on the 7911 net and what the PLAN is for transitioning things, I'd
> be happier. But it's been this way for years now so we're just disconencting the
> old one, which is probably what they're waiting for everyone to do rather than
> really merge the networks.
>
> -Will
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:15:42PM -0700, Scott Howard wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:15:42 -0700
>> Subject: Level 3 - "legacy" Wiltel/Looking Glass bandwidth
>> From: Scott Howard <scott at doc.net.au>
>> To: nanog at nanog.org
>>
>> We're looking at getting connectivity via Level 3 in a particular
>> datacenter, but we're being told that it's "legacy Wiltel/Looking Glass"
>> rather than "true" Level 3.
>>
>> Given that both of these acquisitions occurred years ago should I be
>> worried, or is this "legacy" connectivity the same as L3 at any other
>> datacenter?
>>
>> Scott.
>>
>
>
>
We have also had the fun of the musical sales reps as we are on our 4th
one since they took of Broadwing...
Thanks
Eric Nowland
Sr Network Engineer
Cerento/Wyoming.com
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