v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

Matthew Moyle-Croft mmc at internode.com.au
Wed Feb 4 22:38:53 CST 2009


Hmm,
Apologies for that - wasn't meant to goto the list.   Was a bit "frank".

MMC

On 05/02/2009, at 2:59 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> I don't think anyone really has done it large scale properly.
>
> I've had basically nothing from anyone.
>
> Given my knowledge of where most large BRAS/Cable vendors are upto -  
> I don't think anyone could have.  (Cisco won't have high end v6  
> pppoe support until late this year!).
>
> There's a lot of people who clearly don't work for ISPs yammering on  
> about the Zen of v6, but no one with real experience.
>
> Scary huh?   I'm meant to have 250,000 customers running it by  
> Christmas!
>
> MMC
>
> On 05/02/2009, at 2:44 PM, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote:
>
>> 	Hello Matthew ,  See way below ...
>>
>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
>>> Scott Howard wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick at ianai.net 
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at internode.com.au 
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> but my point was that people are starting to assume that v6 WILL  
>>>>> mean
>>>>> static allocations for all customers.
>>>> By design IPv6 should mean _less_ static allocations than IPv4 -  
>>>> in the
>>>> event that a client disconnects/reconnects and gets a new /64  
>>>> then their
>>>> network *should* automatically handle that fact, with all clients
>>>> automagically renumbering themselves to the new /64, updating  
>>>> DNS, etc.
>>>> Local communications won't be impacted as they should be using the
>>>> link-local address.
>>> _should_
>>>
>>> As I asked before - I'm really keen to actually do this stuff -  
>>> but all I get is people who haven't done it telling me theory and  
>>> not how it works in practise in a real ISP of some scale. Telling  
>>> customers "well, you might get renumbered randomly" isn't going to  
>>> work, no matter what the theory about it all is.  They do crazy  
>>> and unexpected things and bleat about it even if you told them not  
>>> to.  At worse they stop paying you and leave!
>>>
>>> My hope is that PD will be used for the majority and statics will  
>>> be small in number.  My FEAR is that customers have already been  
>>> conditioned that v6 will mean statics for everyone because v6 has  
>>> so many! (This has already been the assumption many have made from  
>>> the customer side).
>>>> The bit that isn't clear at the moment is if (and how well) that  
>>>> will
>>>> actually work in practice.  And that brings us back to the good  
>>>> old catch-22
>>>> of ISPs not supporting IPv6 because consumer CPE doesn't support  
>>>> it, and CPE
>>>> not supporting it because ISP don't...
>>> Tell me about it. As I asked before - has ANYONE done this  
>>> before?   ie.  fully dualstacked to customers?  Or is it still  
>>> theory?
>>
>> 	Has Anyone responded to you on/off list with even a close  
>> approximation of showing they have accomplished what you've  
>> requested ?
>> 	I am beginning to be worried that no one [has|is willing to  
>> divulge] that they have accomplished this .  One would think that  
>> someone would at least pipe up just for the bragging factor .
>>
>> 		Twyl ,  JimL
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Matthew Moyle-Croft Internode/Agile Peering and Core Networks
Level 5, 162 Grenfell Street, Adelaide, SA 5000 Australia
Email: mmc at internode.com.au    Web: http://www.on.net
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