v6 & DSL / Cable modems [was: Private use of non-RFC1918 IP space (IPv6-MW)] (IPv6-MW)

Thu Feb 5 01:52:43 UTC 2009

Scott Howard wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick at ianai.net>wrote:
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> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at internode.com.au>wrote:
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>> but my point was that people are starting to assume that v6 WILL mean
>> static allocations for all customers.
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> By design IPv6 should mean _less_ static allocations than IPv4 - in the
> event that a client disconnects/reconnects and gets a new /64 then their
> network *should* automatically handle that fact, with all clients
> automagically renumbering themselves to the new /64, updating DNS, etc.
> Local communications won't be impacted as they should be using the
> link-local address.
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_should_

As I asked before - I'm really keen to actually do this stuff - but all 
I get is people who haven't done it telling me theory and not how it 
works in practise in a real ISP of some scale.  

Telling customers "well, you might get renumbered randomly" isn't going 
to work, no matter what the theory about it all is.  They do crazy and 
unexpected things and bleat about it even if you told them not to.  At 
worse they stop paying you and leave!

My hope is that PD will be used for the majority and statics will be 
small in number.  My FEAR is that customers have already been 
conditioned that v6 will mean statics for everyone because v6 has so 
many! (This has already been the assumption many have made from the 
customer side).
> The bit that isn't clear at the moment is if (and how well) that will
> actually work in practice.  And that brings us back to the good old catch-22
> of ISPs not supporting IPv6 because consumer CPE doesn't support it, and CPE
> not supporting it because ISP don't...
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Tell me about it.  

As I asked before - has ANYONE done this before?   ie.  fully 
dualstacked to customers?  Or is it still theory?

MMC
>   Scott.
>   

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