Arrogant RBL list maintainers

Mark Scholten mark at
Wed Dec 16 18:35:32 CST 2009

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michelle Sullivan [mailto:matthew at]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:09 PM
> To: nanog at
> Subject: Re: Arrogant RBL list maintainers
> Please reply to the list, not me and the list!
> Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
> > thing is that it's illegal to maintain a database with "personal
> details"
> > which ip addresses according to various german courts are (don't
> ask..
> > mmk? ;) ofcourse we all know ip addresses identify nodes on a
> network, not
> > persons, but the germans seem to mainain a different view on this,
> > despite us isps being the owners of the internet and not the german
> > government ;).
> >
> > therefore we are not even -allowed- to cooperate with trend micro
> *grin*
> >
> > sometimes laws really come in handy you know ;)
> >
> >
> Based on what you say there, then the RIPE whois database cannot
> contain
> the information either because it to would be maintaining a database of
> "personal details"...
As you probably know RIPE is located in the Netherlands and following Dutch
law and not German law (however they are very similar). Publishing persons
(done by RIPE in the whois database) is something that could be changed in
the future (if I look to the current law in the Netherlands and SIDN did
change the policy about whois information).
> Love to hear the legal battle on that one! <grin>
> Michelle

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