Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.

Owen DeLong owen at
Tue Dec 15 12:56:08 CST 2009

On Dec 15, 2009, at 4:49 AM, Joakim Aronius wrote:

> * Steven Bellovin (smb at wrote:
>> On Dec 14, 2009, at 11:47 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
>>> Owen DeLong wrote:
>>> Stable outgoing connections for p2p apps, messaging, gaming  
>>> platforms
>>> and foo website with java script based rpc mechanisms have similar
>>> properties. I don't sleep soundly at night becasuse the $49 buffalo
>>> router I bought off an endcap at frys uses iptables, I sleep soundly
>>> because I don't care.
>> Precisely.  And if you want to get picky, remember that  
>> "availability" is part
>> of the standard definition of security.  A firewall that doesn't  
>> let me play
>> Chocolate-Sucking Zombie Monsters is an attack on the availability  
>> of that
>> gmae, albeit from the purest of motives.
>> No, I'm not saying that this is good.  I am saying that in the real  
>> world, it
>> *will* happen.
> So what you are saying is that ease of use and service availability  
> is priority one. Then what exactly are the responsibilities of the  
> ISP and CPE manufacturer when it comes to security? CPEs with WiFi  
> usually comes with the advice to change password etc. Is it ok to  
> build an infrastructure relying on UPnP, write a disclaimer, and let  
> the end user handle eventual problems? (I assume it is...)
> /jkm

Personally, I think that CPE should come up relatively braindead  
except on the interior wired ethernet
interfaces and require creating an SSID and suggesting creating a  
password (regardless of whether
TKIM, WEP, WPA, etc, at least something) before enabling any  
wireless.  It should require the user
to create their own administrative password before being able to  
enable any other features on the box.

If CPE manufacturers did this, it would remove a great many  
vulnerabilities in the world without making
it particularly harder for the average end-user.


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