Breaking the internet (hotels, guestnet style)

Michael Thomas mike at
Tue Dec 8 15:46:43 CST 2009

On 12/08/2009 01:21 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>>   (Aside: my local library blocks everything but 80 and 443 outbound.  I complained to the director; he cited "security".  I tried explaining that I knew something about Internet security; he told me that the firm that had installed the system had "done most of the libraries in the county".  I translate that as "most of the libraries in the county have broken security policies".)
> Among the many wonderful things Internet has created in the past 2+
> decades, it gave birth
> to a countless number of "Internet Experts" ...
> Perhaps a more organized/focused discussion may help kick off an IETF
> WG to identify and
> document the problems/needs/requirements and an informational RFC/BCP
> can be produced,
> then the "experts" will know that for better security and reliability
> they don't need to
> mutilate internet protocols or dismember the Internet.

I'm skeptical to the extreme that IETF can do anything particularly
useful here. It's not like there's a lack of protocols -- AAA, tunneling,
etc -- that could be bastardized to make some sort of client-side
dohickey, or frob on the side something else instead of requiring
html, styles sheets, and human eyeballs.

Were there some sort of groundswell of such bastardized hacks, then maybe.


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