Follow up to previous post regarding SAAVIS

Joe Provo nanog-post at
Wed Aug 12 21:06:49 CDT 2009

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:16:38PM -0500, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
> Unfortunately the distributed nature of the databases is one of the 
> biggest problems with the IRR system. Anyone can run an irrd, there is 

You misspelled "largest strength".  FOlks get to choose which registries
to believe in what order, not required to have a single [politicized]
entity.  If folks mistakenly believe there is a 1:1 correspendence 
between IRR data and BGP tables, they will lose.  The IRR data is more
of a "flight plan", a set of what-is-possible per the originator of the 

> people query and boom you're in the system. What tends to happen is 
> someone puts a route into a database and then completely forgets about 
> it, so there are a huge number of completely bogus routes out there 
> which are never going to get cleaned up.

Lots of folks set up systems for provisioning without deprovisioning. 
This is not an IRR problem, but a sloppy-human problem.  Folks that 
get stuck with provisioning generally aren't incented to remove billable 
resources.  CF good processes and management with backbone.



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