marka at isc.org
Wed Aug 5 18:30:23 CDT 2009
In message <59f980d60908051602y1fe364devfb5f590a8c7959dc at mail.gmail.com>, Ben S
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Chris Adams<cmadams at hiwaay.net> wrote:
> >>> ... we may not longer have the end user =93typing=94 a URL, the DNS or
> >>> something similar will still be in the background providing name to add=
> >>> mapping ...
> >> =A0 In the the vast majority of cases I have seen, people don't type
> >> domain names, they search the web. =A0When they do type a domain name,
> >> they usually type it into the Google search box.
> > Web !=3D Internet.
> (Web !=3D Internet) !=3D the_point
> Most people don't type email addresses, either. They pick from from
> their address book. Their address book knows the address because it
> auto-learned it from a previously received email. If their email
> program doesn't do that, they find an old email and hit "Reply". (You
> laugh, but even in my small experience, I've seen plenty of clusers
> who rarely originate an email. They reply to *everything*. You have
> to email them once for them to email you. It's always neat to get a
> message in my inbox that's a reply to a message from three years ago.
> But I digress.)
Which requires that people type addresses in in the first
place. It's like these anti spam proceedures which require
that you respond to a message that says you sent the email
to let it through. I doesn't work if everyone or even if
most do it.
> User IDs on Facebook, Twitter, et. al., aren't email addresses,
> they're user IDs. They just happen to look just like email addresses,
> because nobody's come up with a better system yet. The main reason
> those services ask for the user's email address for an ID is it makes
> the "I forgot my user ID" support cases easier. (Note that it doesn't
> eliminate them. Some people still don't know their Facebook user ID
> until you tell them it's their email address. Then they ask what
> their email address is...)
No they make finding a unique id easy by leveraging a
existing globally unique system.
> Web browsers already automatically fill-in one's email address if
> you let them.
Which you have typed into the web browser in the first place.
> One of these days Microsoft or Mozilla or whoever
> will come up with a method to make the automation more seamless, and
> people will probabbly stop knowing their own email address. To do the
> initial exchange for a new person, they'll use Facebook. Or whatever.
> Paper advertisements: What's easier? (1) Publishing a URL in a
> print ad, and expecting people to remember it and type it correctly.
> (2) Saying "type our name into $SERVICE", where $SERVICE is some
> popular website that most people trust (like Facebook or whatever),
> and has come up with a workable system for disambiguation.
1 if you actually want people to get to you and not your
There is a reason people put phone numbers in advertisments
rather than say "look us up in the yellow/white pages".
> You get the picture. Follow the trend. The systems aren't done
> evolving into being yet, but the avalanche has definitely started.
> It's too late for the pebbles to vote.
There is a difference between looking for a service and looking
for a specific vendor of a service.
> As the person I was replying to said, DNS is unlikely to go away,
> but I'll lay good money that some day most people won't even know
> domain names exist, any more than they know IP addresses do.
People may not know what a domain name is but they will use
them all the time even if they are not aware of it. Google
Twitter, Facebook etc. all depend on a working DNS whether
they make it use visible to user or not.
> -- Ben <google!gmail!mailvortex>
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