The real issue

Wed Apr 22 04:05:00 UTC 2009

No, but they can sure send them a bill and then go after them for
collections when they don't pay it.

-----Original Message-----
From: christopher.morrow at gmail.com [mailto:christopher.morrow at gmail.com]
On Behalf Of Christopher Morrow
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:34 PM
To: Shane Ronan
Cc: nanog list
Subject: Re: The real issue

On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Shane Ronan <sronan at fattoc.com> wrote:
> Very simple, just do it.
>

This isn't nike...

I'm sorry for being obtuse, but they (arin) can't really do anything.
I suspect that if they had to prosecute all folks in violation of the
RSA they would have financial issues... and it wouldn't really solve
anything long term anyway.

In short, ARIN can't affect routability
             ARIN can't effectively deal with the contract issues in a
timely fashion

So.. what are they going to 'just do'?

-Chris

> On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Shane Ronan <sronan at fattoc.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> It's means one of two things:
>>>
>>
>> sure, but 'how' exactly?
>>
>>> 1) Recoup the unused space for paid reallocation
>>> or
>>
>> arin never (nor do any RIR) guarantee routability, nor do they even a
>> method to affect routability of a network.
>>
>>> 2) Have the current "owner" pay the market rate for the IP space
>>>
>>
>> ... that's somewhat hard since the current policies don't support
>> that, and there is no real legal stance for legacy-allocations... For
>> allocated post-legacy-times ARIN can start court proceedings, but ...
>> that's a lengthy process and expensive.
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Shane Ronan <sronan at fattoc.com>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is ARIN, who won't even take back large blocks of space from
people who
>>>>> have
>>>>> long ago stopped using it and aren't paying anything for it,
prepared
>>>>> to
>>>>> start filing civil suits against people who were assigned /24's
(and
>>>>> paid
>>>>> for them) due to inaccurate declaration?
>>>>
>>>> out of curiousity.. 'take back' means what in this context?
>>>
>>>
>>
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