the Intercage mess

John Bambenek bambenek at
Wed Sep 24 21:20:59 CDT 2008

When there is no law to speak of all that is left is tribal justice.  
That doesn't make the problem the tribe, the real problem is the 

It would much rather prefer that we find a way to not let ISPs 
externalize their "costs" in taking money from bad people who do nothing 
but cause problems for the rest of us. 


*Hobbit* wrote:
> While it's good to see some community effort going toward slapping
> a lid on misbehaving sources, how about a little consistency in
> the bigger picture?
> Consider this sort of scenario:  An ISP allows its infrastructure
> to emit spam and host compromised machines to harbor malware and
> facilitate crime and botnets.  Its abuse mailbox is a black hole
> that is provably ignored.  All reasonable efforts to get the problem
> fixed fail.  Network operators band together and deroute the ISP's
> blocks, forcing them to either clean up their act or find something
> else to do with their time.  Internet death penalty, simple enough.
> If this happened to some of the other major sources of crap that
> I'm thinking of, it would make the freaking NATIONAL NEWS.  Where's
> the BACKBONE to go after the real high-volume sources, rather than
> continuing to kick sand in the face of some podunk little guy who
> can no longer defend himself?
> _H*

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