YAY! Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer

Rich Kulawiec rsk at gsp.org
Wed Sep 24 12:50:58 UTC 2008

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 04:19:16AM -0400, Paul Wall wrote:
> Thanks to the efforts of the people on this list, you've known
> Estdomains/Esthost was bad news for several weeks or more.
> Why are you only now shutting them down?

"several weeks"?  Try "several years".  And do note the rationale
(below) for the refusal to shut them down.

> From Russ at Atrivo.com Sun Sep  4 13:58:23 EDT 2005
> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting
> From: Russ at Atrivo.com
> Subject: Re: Atrivo/InterCage Abuse
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> Hello fhh,
> There is no "network of esthost". The network in which Esthost resides
> is our network. Esthost is one of our larger clients, They are very
> successful in the industry of web hosting and domain registration. They
> just recently became an ICANN Accredited Registrar. I won't comment on
> "why" they're so successful... But for some, that may be obvious.
> I believe an investigation by law enforcement is a very corrective
> step... That would definately clean Esthost up.
> I can honestly say, there are 2 of our major clients who are very
> successful... and with both of those comes occasional abuse. On one,
> it's the occasional spam via exploit. The other... Esthost... Well... A
> lot worse abuse then just spam.
> One of the things I find quite rediculous is people have taken all of
> our business emails from whois etc, and placed them in spam runs. How
> stupid can you get?... Honestly! You have never received a spam email
> that came from our business servers... Our clients (like EVERY other
> companies clients) do get the abuse of spam from their servers. For all
> of our clients (esthost aside)... This is not very often. We can't
> please everyone. We try... But when you have to go through and work
> with a client like esthost who doesn't quite take abuse too
> seriously... and the only other thing you can do is null their client's
> server.... it's hard to get a "correct" action taken. The correct
> action on any intentional spammer is to be immediately removed. As well
> as intentional virii distributors. This is seen with iframecash.biz...
> We took reports from P Thompson and demanded their removal... That
> appeared to be resolved... and then they pop up again.
> If I had the ability... I would cut Esthost as a client... But, in
> doing so, it causes nearly a quarter if not half of the company's
> monthly revenue to be cut. That is not too good of a move nor
> reasonably possible ;)
> People consider Atrivo/InterCage to be some abuse supporting company...
> If only any of you knew what the position would be in a company our
> size.
> It's not as easy as you believe it to be ;)
> Thank you for your time. Have a great day.
> --
> Russell Mitchell - Russ[at]Atrivo.com
> Atrivo Technologies

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