YAY! Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer

Mark Foo mark.foo.dog at gmail.com
Wed Sep 24 03:14:01 CDT 2008


Oh I got the memo, you'll be getting served one soon too.

I just wonder why you don't consider playing both sides of the fence
-- with your
knowledge of who's who in the cyber crime field, you could probably get paid
more as an informant (either to LEO or one of the "Intel" companies than
whatever you're doing for Emil and (allegedly) the  RBN. You can't possible
sleep well knowing what your up to now so I figure it's the money that
motivates you.

Or, maybe you don't really know anyone, you just respond to their demands and
they end up with all the money, pr0n chicks, etc. Doesn't that bother
you -- don't
you want more?

Plus, no one would know you were pulling two pay checks -- you manage systems
on one side and pass info to the other. It's actually fairly simple --
maybe you already
know this ;).

If not, please explain this:


Without exception, all of the major security organizations on the
Internet agree that the 'Home' of cybercrime in the western world is a
firm known as Atrivo/Intercage, based in California. We ourselves have
not come to this conclusion lightly but from many years of dealing
with criminal operations hosted by Atrivo/Intercage, gangs of
cybercriminals - mostly Russian and East European but with several US
online crime gangs as well - whose activities always lead back to
servers run by Atrivo/Intercage. We have lost count of the times we
have tracked a major virus botnet's "command and control" to
Atrivo/Intercage servers, readers can view here some of the current
and historic SBL records for Atrivo for a taste of what has been
happening in this network. At almost every Internet security
conference, or law enforcement seminar on cyber-crime, a presentation
will detail some attack, exploit, phish or financial crime that has
some nexus at Atrivo/Intercage.

The person who runs Atrivo/Intercage, Emil Kacperski is an expert at
playing the "surprised janitor", unaware of every new criminal
enterprise found on his servers and keen to show he gets rid of some
criminals once their activities on his network are exposed. His
Internet hosting career first came to the attention of most anti-abuse
organizations when he pinched (or 'purchased stolen goods' as he put
it) and routed an unused block of 65,536 IP addresses belonging to the
County of Los Angeles.

Spamhaus has dealt with over 350 incidents of cyber-crime hosting on
Atrivo/Intercage and its related networks in the last 3 years alone,
all of which involved criminal operations such as malware, virus
spreaders and botnet command and control servers. Malware found by
Spamhaus on Atrivo/Intercage/Cernel/Hostfresh just in the last few
months included the Storm Worm installer and controller and a MySpace
spambot amongst others. Spamhaus currently sees a large amount of
activity related to malicious software and exploits being hosted on
Atrivo/Intercage which include DNS hijack malware, IFRAME browser
attacks, dialers, pirated software websites and blatantly criminal

We assume that every law enforcement agency with a cyber-crimes
division has a dossier bursting at the seams on Atrivo/Intercage and
its tentacles such as Esthost, Estdomains, Cernel, Hostfresh. The only
question on everyone's mind is which agency will beat the others to
shutting the whole place down and indicting the people behind it.
Because if shut down, one thing is certain: the amount of
malware-driven crime on the Internet would drop overnight as
cyber-criminals rush to find a new crime-friendly host - difficult to
find in the US, as Atrivo/Intercage is one of the very few remaining
dedicated crime hosting firms whose customer base is composed almost,
or perhaps entirely, of criminal gangs. More importantly, millions of
Internet users currently being targeted by the malware gangs operating
from Atrivo/Intercage will be, for a while, safer.

Perhaps one may be wondering about the costs of hosting at
Atrivo/Intercage or how to sign up? Well, don't expect to find this
information at the company's websites as they were empty for years and
for the last year have just shown "Website Coming Soon."

    http://www.atrivo.com => "InterCage, Inc. INTENSE SERVERS. Website
Coming Soon:"
    Last Updated: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:32:59 PM

    http://www.intercage.com => "InterCage, Inc. INTENSE SERVERS.
Website Coming Soon:"
    Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:45:52 PM

At one time after being asked, "how on earth does your company get
business?" an Atrivo/Intercage representative coyly said, "by word of
mouth." That seems to be quite obvious.

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Russell Mitchell <russm2k8 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Mark,
> It really seems YOU _DID_ miss the memo.
> I think that since no one else is responding to your non-sense, there is no reason for me to either.
> If you have something accurate to say, I'll be happy to listen.
> Until then, there's not much I can say. There's no sense in repeating myself.
>  ---
> Russell Mitchell
> InterCage, Inc.
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mark Foo <mark.foo.dog at gmail.com>
> To: Russell Mitchell <russm2k8 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Bruce Williams <williams.bruce at gmail.com>; Christopher Morrow <christopher.morrow at gmail.com>; nanog at nanog.org; Joe Greco <jgreco at ns.sol.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:27:50 AM
> Subject: Re: YAY! Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer
> Russell:
> Ferg was just being coy -- what you don't understand is there are about 3 other
> security mailing lists plotting to TAKE YOUR SERVICE DOWN. You FAIL. Law
> Enforcement might not take action against you (but appear to be interested now),
> but the community can. GET OFF THE NET WITH YOUR MALWARE!
> You mistake me for someone who believes you pack of lies! Don't you
> understand each
> time you post to this list gives those of us who know the opportunity
> of your MALWARE?
> You disconnected Hostfresh and think that's the extent of your cimes?
> Gimme a break.
> Only those who are easily socially engineered would believe your
> pathetic claims of innocence.
> You've BEEN HOSTING MALWARE since 2003 -- SEE Nanog post:
> Re: The in-your-face hijacking example
> http://www.irbs.net/internet/nanog/0305/0038.html
>> Let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to state to the public.
> Answer Ferg's question -- Why are you moving to CERNAL? Do you think this
> is going to work? That's just another of Emil's networks.
>> We're on a rocky road right now. But it IS starting to smooth out.
> That's just the calm before the storm.
> Go ahead and post a response to each of these allegations:
> Cybercrime's US Hosts
> http://www.spamhaus.org/news.lasso?article=636
> Report Slams U.S. Host as Major Source of Badware
> http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/08/report_slams_us_host_as_major.html?nav=rss_blog
> A Superlative Scam and Spam Site Registrar
> http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/09/estdomains.html?nav=rss_blog
> ICANN cast as online scam enabler
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/cyber_crime_reports/
> 'Malware-friendly' Intercage back with the living
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/24/intercage_back_online/
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Russell Mitchell <russm2k8 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hello John Doe,
>> I welcome any further comments you have.
>> We have to get past people such as yourself, and your blasphemous and false statements.
>> This is the same issue with the recent media and self-proclaimed "Security Researchers". Fly-by-night mind you.
>> To help you out in your claims:
>> Yes, we did house a client whom had quite a run with their client's from various locations, such as Russia.
>> That Client is no longer hosted on our network. I myself spent all of monday afternoon, night, and tuesday morning shutting off EVERY machine they had leased in our Billing System. I'm currently working to scan further and see if there's anything I may have missed.
>> Yes, Russia is very well known for Virus and Malware writer's.
>> Yes, we have had issues with malware distribution from our network.
>> This was directly and near singularly related to the former client of ours. We did have another client, Hostfresh, whom had their share of malware issues.
>> Both have been completely and effectively removed. The server's leased to both of them have been canceled, and their machines have been shutoff.
>> Let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to state to the public.
>> We're on a rocky road right now. But it IS starting to smooth out.
>> Thank you for your time. Have a great day.
>>  ---
>> Russell Mitchell
>> InterCage, Inc.
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Mark Foo <mark.foo.dog at gmail.com>
>> To: Bruce Williams <williams.bruce at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Christopher Morrow <christopher.morrow at gmail.com>; nanog at nanog.org; Joe Greco <jgreco at ns.sol.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:08:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: YAY! Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer
>> Look, the people posting here who are trashing Intercage are pure security
>> analysts -- they
>> know and understand the evil that is Intercage. STOP TRYING TO ASSIST
>> -- you are effectively aiding and abetting the enemy.
>> Intercage/Atrivo hosts the malware c&c botnets that DDoS your systems and
>> networks.
>> Intercage/Atrivo hosts the spyware that compromises your users' passwords.
>> Intercage/Atrivo hosts the adware that slows your customers' machines.
>> Don't take my word for it, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH:
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=intercage+malware
>> You don't get called the ***American RBN*** for hosting a couple bad
>> machines. They
>> have and will continue to host much of the malware pumped out of America.
>> These people represent the most HIGHLY ORGANZIED CRIME you will ever
>> come across. Most people were afraid to speak out against them until this
>> recent ground swell.
>> Many links have been posted here that prove this already -- instead of
>> asking
>> what customers they cut off, let them show WHAT CUSTOMERS ARE LEGIT--
>> because there are NONE.
>> > >> I would suggest a different Step 1.  Instead of killing power, simply
>> > >> isolate the affected machine.  This might be as simple as putting up a
>> > >> firewall rule or two, if it is simply sending outgoing SMTP spam, or
>> > > it's probably easiest (depending on the network gear of course) to
>> > > just put the lan port into an isolated VLAN. It's not the 100%
>> > > solution (some badness rm's itself once it loses connectivity to the
>> > > internets) but it'd make things simpler for the client/LEA when they
>> > > need to figure out what happened.
>> > >
>> > > -chris
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >

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