Patrick W. Gilmore patrick at
Mon Sep 22 15:52:28 CDT 2008

On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Tom Sparks (Applied Operations) wrote:

> Basically is what it boils down to for me - its easy to blame
> an NSP/ISP/Hoster for what their clients do, it takes real  
> dedication to
> find out whats *actually* going on.


Atrivo is not just a spammer, and Intercage has _not_ "taken care of"  
problems - unless you count moving IP addresses around as "taking care  
of" things.  I'm sure the people downloading child pr0n or hosting  
virus / C&C servers were very inconvenienced from having to change a  
hostname.  Pardon me if I am incredulous.  And not because we were not  
dedicated in trying to find out what was *actually* going on.  Try  
reading up on your friend before accusing the community of not doing  
due diligence.

And don't give me any BS about not reading his [email protected] mail.

Eventually ignorance (willful ignorance?) in the service of evil  
becomes indistinguishable from malice.

Basically, THAT is what it boils down to for me, and apparently  
everyone else as well.


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