GLBX De-Peers Intercage

Gadi Evron ge at
Mon Sep 1 05:28:18 CDT 2008

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 01, 2008, William Waites wrote:
>> As mentioned in private email, I think where there is *evidence* of
>> *criminal* activity, show this to a judge, get the judge to order ARIN
>> to revoke the ASN/netblock, the traffic then becomes bogon and can/
>> should be filtered.

Proving criminal activity is for law enforcement. Maintaining our networks 
against DDoS and our customers against being massively compromised, now 
that's something else.

If a layer had become _that_bad_ I don't want them communicating with me, 
and if I am their peer, I don't want to peer with them. It's an individual 
choice by each provider, and we can lok at them in any light we like.

> Oh come on, how quickly would that migrate to enforcing copyright

Copyright is a legal issue which does not trouble our networks, so 
if you get a legal paper asking you to do so, it's a whole other 
business. Don't muddy the water.

The issue is complicated enough as it is: do we want such dirty providers 
to massively compromise the Internet, our customers, or through us? 
Different answers from different people.

If law enforcement was capable of doing the job, we wouldn't have had to 
discuss this.

> infringement? Or if you're especially evil, used by larger companies
> to bully smaller companies out of precious IPv4 space?
> I reckon having your IPv4 space revoked for more than a few hours would
> upset most if not all small players.
> Please find an alternative method of tidying up the trash and don't
> stir that nest of hornets.
> Adrian

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