[Full-disclosure] Fwd: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system (Einstein 3.0)

n3td3v xploitable at gmail.com
Sun Oct 5 19:53:27 UTC 2008

Yes, they put these bizarre ideas out there to see what public opinion
is, they don't have a chance in hell of implementing it.

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:46 PM, James Matthews <nytrokiss at gmail.com> wrote:
> They generally don't have any clue what they want. This is only a PR stunt
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:30 AM, n3td3v <xploitable at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Bad idea,
>> The rogue government would use hospitals and power stations, to "cyber
>> human shield" against the counter attack.
>> You guys are living in cloud cuckoo land. The rogue government
>> wouldn't have their bot nets in home computers that you could shut
>> down easily.
>> Read my rant about it all with the link below that I typed in May 2008
>> to stop the "Afcyber" idea going through.
>> http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2008-May/062517.html
>> All the best,
>> n3td3v
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Tony Patti <tony at swalter.com>
>> Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM
>> Subject: cnn.com - Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system
>> (Einstein 3.0)
>> To: "nanog at nanog.org" <nanog at nanog.org>
>> I presume this CNN article falls within the "Internet operational and
>> technical issues" (especially security) criteria of the NANOG AUP,
>> in terms of "operat[ing] an Internet connected network",
>> especially where Chertoff refers to " like an anti-aircraft weapon,
>> shoot down an [Internet] attack before it hits its target".
>> http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/10/04/chertoff.cyber.security/index.html
>> Homeland Security seeks cyber counterattack system
>> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- First, there was "Einstein," the federal
>> government's effort to protect itself from cyber attacks by limiting
>> the number of portals to government computer systems and searching for
>> signs of cyber tampering.
>> Then Einstein 2.0, a system now being tested to detect computer
>> intrusions as they happen.
>> And in the future? Perhaps Einstein 3.0, which would give the
>> government the ability to fight back.
>> Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Friday said he'd like
>> to see a government computer infrastructure that could look for early
>> indications of computer skullduggery and stop it before it happens.
>> The system "would literally, like an anti-aircraft weapon, shoot down
>> an attack before it hits its target," he said. "And that's what we
>> call Einstein 3.0."
>> At a meeting with reporters to highlight National Cyber Security
>> Month, Chertoff reiterated his belief that the government should
>> aggressively defend its computer systems, saying that terrorists, if
>> they gain expertise already available to others, would "cause
>> potentially very serious havoc" to government systems.
>> "Let's make the investment now rather than wait until there's a huge
>> catastrophe," he said.
>> But despite his emphasis on the risks posed, Chertoff said the
>> government is moving slowly to avoid stepping on the toes of the
>> private sector as it addresses calls to reorganize the governance of
>> cyberspace to provide accountability and authority.
>> "I think the question of what is the government's role in cyberspace
>> in general needs to be discussed among all the stakeholders, because
>> there is a culture of cyberspace that is an open architecture," he
>> said. "And I think if we just came in and said we want to take it
>> over, there'd be, understandably, a considerable amount of discomfort
>> with that."
>> "We are deliberately going slowly because we recognize that the issue
>> of government involvement in the Internet is fraught with all kinds of
>> potential concerns and potential anxieties about not having the
>> government have a big-foot impact on an area of communication and
>> commerce that has traditionally been viewed as really independent and
>> free."
>> Chertoff said the government is "feeling our way to what is the right
>> mix of government involvement with protecting the Internet in the
>> private domain while preserving everybody's comfort level that we're
>> not going to be in their business in a way that would be
>> inappropriate."
>> Asked if he envisioned a world with two cyberspaces, he said he
>> envisions a world with "a lot of different levels of security and
>> trust, depending upon the nature of what it is that you're doing."
>> "We already have that now, in the sense that we have classified
>> systems which are walled off from unclassified systems," he said.
>> The Bush administration released its National Cyber Security
>> Initiative in January. The "most immediate component" of it from the
>> Department of Homeland Security's perspective, Chertoff said, is to
>> increase security for federal government computer systems.
>> But another priority is to work with the private sector to address
>> threats to businesses. This includes not only protection from hackers,
>> but also from counterfeit parts, which an individual or another nation
>> could use to create vulnerabilities in the United States, he said.
>> E-mail to a friend
>> Tony Patti
>> CIO
>> S. Walter Packaging Corp.
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