FW: Sprint v. Cogent, some clarity & facts

Tomas L. Byrnes tomb at byrneit.net
Wed Nov 5 00:09:43 UTC 2008

-----Original Message-----
From: Tomas L. Byrnes 
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:08 PM
To: 'Niels Bakker'
Subject: RE: Sprint v. Cogent, some clarity & facts

There was nothing in my post advocating free transit or peering. I
merely pointed out that peering only without downstream propagation was
a technical error, based on the proper implementation of the protocols
as designed.

All the discussion of practicality and politics are implementation
failures: the first because of crappy routers, the second because of the
established player issue you called out. 

We've all had enough of crappy networks causing unreachability. 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Niels Bakker [mailto:niels=nanog at bakker.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:30 AM
>To: nanog at nanog.org
>Subject: Re: Sprint v. Cogent, some clarity & facts
>* tomb at byrneit.net (Tomas L. Byrnes) [Tue 04 Nov 2008, 17:51 CET]:
>>The concept of "Transit Free" is a political failure, not a technical
>Yeah, networks should be free!  And Cogent, if they don't get access to
>Sprint directly, should just set a default route over some public IX
>where Sprint is also present at to reach their network!!  And then hack
>their routers to do likewise.
>>The protocols are designed, and the original concept behind the
>>is, to propagate all reachability via all paths. IE to use Transit if
>>peering fails.
>Yeah, the original concept of the internet.  Like classful IP routing.
>>Not doing so is a policy decision that breaks the redundancy in the
>>original design.
>Because the original design totally had in mind established players
>locking out cheaper newcomers and explicitly specified a maximum band
>where prices for transit had to exist inside of.
>Please stop it.  We've had enough.
>	-- Niels.
>"We humans get marks for consistency. We always opt for
>  civilization after exhausting the alternatives."
>			-- Carl Guderian

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