routing around Sprint's depeering damage

Joe Greco jgreco at
Sun Nov 2 15:39:15 UTC 2008

> Well, selling you an "unlimited" account and them terminating that  
> contract if you use "to much" is one thing, that is a stated lack of  
> a limit in your contract.
> There is no delivery guarantee of your IP packets in your contract,  
> adding one would be a rather bad idea since there is no delivery  
> guarantee in IP that your service is based on and that would open a  
> carrier to liabilities if someone was using a firewall for instance  
> since that is effectivly limiting your delivery to that machine.
> What you are buying is access to Sprints network, and transit  
> effectivly on Sprints view of the Internet, and that is what they  
> deliver really..

Based on that logic, it sounds like a fine time for me to get into the
wireless market.  I can save a ton of money by getting a 56k dialup line
to $9.95/mo-company as an upstream connection, and just saying that I 
don't guarantee delivery of packets, and if my upstream service gets 
terminated for some reason, hey, my view of the Internet is pretty small.

Come on.  Really, an ISP has to make a reasonable effort to be able to
reach other arbitrary destinations on the Internet.  That they might not
be able to promise access to obscure networks in the farthest portions
of China on the end of two tin cans and a string is obvious.  But when
they can't get traffic across the street because they're actively
buggering routes from an AS, well, that's different.

... JG
Joe Greco - Network Services - Milwaukee, WI -
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.

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