Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting

Christopher LILJENSTOLPE cdl at asgaard.org
Sat May 24 02:47:47 UTC 2008


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Greetings,

	I think the 0.02 take-away for this discussion is:

If you don't feel safe doing what you are doing, or being where you  
are, then stop/leave.  In almost any big city, it's really not a  
problem - there are lots of people around and things are usually ok.   
However, your intuition is usually a pretty good guide.  A corollary  
is, if you are scared, even if the area is "safe" certain actors will  
pickup on it.  Therefore, the simple act of feeling uncomfortable will  
probably raise the likelihood of you getting into trouble.

	Unless you've lived a very sheltered life, your "intuition" will  
usually give you warning WAY before you get into trouble.  BTW - there  
are a lot of big cities that I have no concerns walking alone in at  
0300.  However, not all cities fit in that bucket.  There are also  
places that you just don't go to even in the middle of the day.

	Chris

On 23 May 2008, at 17.53, Steve Gibbard wrote:

> I hesitate to weigh in here, but my observation after several years  
> of doing a fair bit of traveling to a wide variety of places is  
> this:  In any big city, anywhere in the world, there will be plenty  
> of people ready with lectures on how "this is a big city, and is  
> therefore a dangerous place. You need to be careful."  Often, this  
> will be repeated with escalating tones of alarm if it becomes clear  
> that I've been ignoring it.  Sometimes the claim will be that their  
> city is especially dangerous, and sometimes the claim will be that  
> it's dangerous just like any other big city. Sometimes it takes on  
> the form of "this is a really safe city, but don't go out at  
> night."  It doesn't matter.  Some cities really are dangerous, and  
> some seem quite safe, but there's no quantifiable difference between  
> lectures received in places that really are dangerous and places  
> that aren't.
>
> -Steve
>
> On Fri, 23 May 2008, Paul Stewart wrote:
>
>> A lot of it is common sense - New York is a GREAT city .. no question
>> and very safe overall.  But common sense will tell you not to take a
>> leisure walk through Harlem at 3AM .. having said that, I've walked
>> through Central Park (65th St.) at various times of the night and  
>> never
>> had a problem, but then again that's different too...
>>
>> Travel in herds and mind your own business - don't travel at 3AM (on
>> foot) and you'll be fine..;)  That really goes for any city when you
>> think about it...
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex Rubenstein [mailto:alex at corp.nac.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:06 PM
>> To: Rod Beck; David Diaz; Martin Hannigan
>> Cc: nanog at nanog.org
>> Subject: RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>>
>>> I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is  
>>> one
>> of
>>> the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
>>
>> While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is  
>> safe" is
>> like saying "all routers are cisco"
>>
>> There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know  
>> how the
>> Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be
>> overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a
>> herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.
>>
>>
>>> New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit,  
>>> Seattle,
>>> Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
>>
>> Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah  
>> CCW is
>> valid.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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