[NANOG] Alcatel

Tim Sanderson tims at donet.com
Wed May 14 13:05:09 CDT 2008

Why be neutral? If something is better, then it is better. Whenever I have tried a vendor other than Cisco for a routing or switching solution, I regretted it. Now I use Cisco equipment exclusively except where they do not make that product I need [such as FatPipe MPVPN].


-----Original Message-----
From: Nicolas Antoniello [mailto:nantoniello at antel.net.uy]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:53 PM
To: Paul Wall
Cc: Dan Snyder; nanog at nanog.org
Subject: Re: [NANOG] Alcatel

I think we should keep this list as much neutral as we may regarding individual preferences.

Why some of you keep writing offensive mails to those who write neutral ones or to those
who know less than what you THINK you know.

Have you heard about: "All we are ignorants, the thing is that we ignore different things"?

So my recommendation for life is: try to be more modest 'cos as some one say somewhere:
life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get.

By the way, I'm not related to any vendor, nor any manufacturer company... oh, even not
from USA... so this is as much neutral as may get!


Paul Wall wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Dan Snyder <snyder at fusion-networks.com> wrote:
>> What about Alcatel's MPLS edge routers like the 7x50 products that
>> came from Timetra...anyone have any experience with them?  Are they a
>> good product?
> Garbage, the 7750/7450 are complete junk boxes. Here is why...
>  - For fun, view a 7750/7540 router configuration file and grep for
> the word "exit". Count how many times you see that word. To sum it up,
> the CLI is kind of annoying. Lets just say the 7x50 rivals a Bay Annex
> CLI for uselessness.
>  - They attempted to mimic the Juniper style of policy-statements, but
> they still fall short of it. Whats up with the pseudo-commit crap?
>  - The majority of ALU folks supporting the 7x50 are all from former
> failed router vendors (caspian, nexabit, etc). When you deal with such
> teams, keep your operator hat on and realize that some of the stuff
> being suggested are from people who've never worked in production.
>  - 7x50 is about 1-2 years behind Cisco and Juniper on any feature
> functionality on the boxes.
>  - The ALU business unit has no comprehension why users want to
> interface with the box via CLI as opposed to their SAM EMS junk. The
> BU and the former Newbridge developers think folks run their network
> from a Sparc via a GUI. Times have changed...NETCONF what?
>  - If you haven't run into any BGP scaling issues yet, you will, soon.
>  - Limited RSVP-TE support...nothing compared to Juniper.
> There are plenty of other better options like the Cisco 6500/7600 as
> well as the Juniper MX. Why settle for sub-standard CLI, weak features
> and a business unit who has no operational experience and their only
> claim to fame was gobbling up companies and exploiting their long-time
> industry friendships to seal massive deals.
> I know some will reply to talk about their great failover is and this
> and that, whatever. To get the box where it is today a lot of pain was
> endured by plenty of customers who had to deal with a not-so-nice
> Alcatel. The box pricing is not that great and for the same money you
> can find better elsewhere.
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