So why don't US citizens get this?

Patrick W. Gilmore patrick at
Mon Jul 28 02:39:20 UTC 2008

[Sorry to bring this back towards the topic at hand, but....]

On Jul 26, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Mr. James W. Laferriere wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008, bmanning at wrote:

>> 	that said, can I get FIOS w/o any other
>> 	Verizon crap?  I just want the fiber transport
>> 	to an exchange... want my own ISP/peering, not
>> 	theirs.  They wont sell it.

> 	Anyone find a 'Commodity' seller of IP connectivity that will  
> provide that ?I haven't in a Number of years now .
> 	Imo ,  it appears to be company cowardice .  But then again alot  
> can go wrong even if you filter correctly .
> 	But I'd really like to find a provider that 'Can' .  Just like the  
> little train .

First, I should say that I am not defending VZ or any other company.

However, I don't think it's fair to claim VZ sells FIOS and therefore  
should also sell dark.  The two items are vastly different services. I  
seriously doubt "cowardice" is stopping VZ from giving bill fiber.   
Hell, they'd likely make a LOT more money off selling him dark than  
selling him FIOS.

There are lots of providers in major metros (where I know bill lives)  
that sell things like 10 Mbps point-to-point circuits.  But dark fiber  
is frequently hard to come by even between two telco hotels in the  
same city.  Asking for dark fiber from $RANDOM_HOUSE to, well,  
anywhere, that's going to be just a little out of the ordinary.

So if you want to complain about something, complain about something  
reasonable.  Lord knows the telecos have given us enough targets.


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