Lessons from the AU model
Matthew Moyle-Croft
mmc at internode.com.au
Mon Jan 21 01:18:36 UTC 2008
Andy Davidson wrote:
>
> On 21 Jan 2008, at 00:16, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
>
>> Andy Davidson wrote:
>>> - Am I peering widely enough ? Should I actually be stuffing a
>>> switch under the floor in my employer's suite and letting my buddies
>>> plug in ? Peeringdb knows about eight exchanges in a developed
>>> economy of 20 million people. We have more than eight in single
>>> cities of Europe.
>> Peering in Oz is MPLA. This leads to no one worrying about having
>> to be found to form peering relationships, so peeringdb is incomplete
>> at best. I've tried to encourage people to add their data in.
>
> Is it always compulsory ?
Yes.
> (I just did some legwork and read the WAIX policies, and it seems to
> be mandatory here) This surprises me, Multi-lateral peering is great
> for lots of networks, but really bad for others, and (if forced)
> probably acts as a barrier to the bigger networks from taking part in
> any public peering ....
Well, there's basically only 5 networks of any size that don't
participate (Telstra, Optus Singtel, AAPT TNZ, MCI and SPT (AS9942) who
aren't that big).
So, clearly it's not a big issue. What's interesting is the kinds of
people that DO participate (Asia Netcom, VSNL (Oz only) etc).
>
>> 1/3 from (expensive) transit to the "Gang of Four) who won't peer
>
> .... and acts as an incentive to pull out of the agreement as networks
> grow .. think about what happens when your customers' routes start
> appearing through your MLP session as well.
It's an issue. But overall it's not big enough of one. We all gain a
lot more by peering together than not.
>
> I can think of some MLP-only exchanges in Europe, but I can't think of
> any that do significant traffic.
Yeah - I can understand why MLP is not big elsewhere (we peer in the US
so I do the peering there - it's very different, but also the traffic
levels are very different.
We all share a lot of content here and so the savings amongst 7 of the
10 top broadband companies in Oz make it all worth while.
MLP is what works here - the GoF believe that their transit is special
and won't peer with anyone else in Oz. It's partially a government
mistake from the late 90s.
MMC
>
> Andy
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