IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit

Wed Feb 20 02:14:35 UTC 2008

I would like to encourage everyone engaging in this discussion here to  
move the
discussion over to the ARIN PPML and talk about the policy.

It's great to talk about it on NANOG , and, indeed, many members of  
the ARIN AC
are on this list.  However, the rest of the ARIN community should also  
see your
comments, and, that is technically the correct forum for addressing  
ARIN policy
matters.

Owen

On Feb 19, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Geoff Huston wrote:

>
> David Conrad wrote:
>> Joe,
>> On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:28 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
>>> When IANA free pool exhaustion happens or even appears to be  
>>> imminent, one can expect push for allocation policies to be  
>>> changed drastically towards the miserly.
>> No.
> ...
>
>> The RIR bureaucracy is a ponderous ship that turns very slowly and  
>> has multiple captains who do not necessarily agree on the direction  
>> to turn.  IPv4 allocation policy revisions aren't going to save us.
>
> A collaborative bottom-up consensus-based policy determination  
> framework  is a ponderous ship that turns ... [etc]. The problem is  
> not necessarily in the machine room that implements these address  
> allocation policies but in the process of determining policies that  
> all interested parties can live with. It takes time. Probably more  
> time than you have left.
>
> So even if there are a flurry of last minute policy proposals to  
> salvage the situation it may well be a case of too little too late.
>
>>>> The  question is how ARIN will deal with the market after the  
>>>> IPv4 free  pool exhausts.
>
> I would suggest that the real question is "How will industry deal  
> with the situation when the current supply streams for IPv4 vaporize?"
>
> And the secondary question is "Will the industry's reaction to this  
> shift in the supply of addresses destroy the integrity and utility  
> of the entire IPv4 space?"
>
> What I'm gettting at is that if there is no mechanism in whatever  
> industry does for address supply after the unallocated pool exhausts  
> to preserve the essential attribute of the address system, namely  
> uniqueness of use, and we start to see competing claims to be able  
> to use addresses without any agreed framework of resolution, then  
> what happens to the Internet? Do we all just originate whatever  
> addresses we feel like on the day in to the routing system?
>
>> Yep.  And the question is: as an ISP or other address consuming  
>> organization, what will you do when the cost of obtaining IPv4  
>> addresses skyrockets?  So far, as far as I can tell, the answer to  
>> that question (in most cases) has been putting hands over ears and  
>> saying "La la la" loudly.  See <http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/020608-ipv4-address-depletion.html 
>> >.
>
>
> indeed.
>
> Geoff