Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...

Martin List-Petersen martin at
Fri Dec 12 23:56:46 UTC 2008

Owen DeLong wrote:
> On Dec 12, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Nathan Stratton wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Joe Abley wrote:
>>> On 2008-12-12, at 15:02, Martin List-Petersen wrote:
>>>> It's a misconception of some muppets, especially in IT related
>>>> products, that forget, that a lot or IT professionals do travel all
>>>> over the world and usually have a credit card in their home country.
>>>> Pure and utter nonsense.
>>> Or perhaps the hassle of dealing with stolen US credit card numbers
>>> from clients outside the US costs far more money than you could hope
>>> to make back with the purchases of US nationals travelling overseas?
>>> Could well be muppets, but surely there are other possibilities.
>> Sad but true, we have had to turn off signups outside the US because
>> of that very problem. Yes, I am sure we lose some sales, but in
>> general it is not worth the fraud costs.
> Why don't the fraudsters just use Open US Proxies?

You can be sure, that the people wanting to defraud merchants know all
these tricks and use them. The verified by visa password option is a far
better solution, but I've not seen many US merchants supporting that yet.

Instead they're relying on outdated geoip data or ask people to fax a
copy of their credit card.

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