Coop Peering Fabric??

Patrick W. Gilmore patrick at
Tue Aug 12 21:52:07 CDT 2008

On Aug 12, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Paul Wall wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore  
> <patrick at> wrote:
>> Tons of others exist, in big and little markets.  There's one in  
>> 365 Main
>> SF, there's KleyReX in the same building as DE-CIX, Big APE in 111  
>> 8th, NYCx
>> there too, ChicagoIX just opened, etc., etc.
> Excellent point on Europe.
> Not so much in the United States.  Do SFMIX, BIG APE, NYCX, etc 1)
> have more than a half dozen participants 2) exchange any traffic other
> than BGP keep-alives and ARP? :)  I think not.  When you look at why
> not, it's usually always predatory practices on the part of various
> collo and IX operators preventing widespread adoptation.  If CHIX were
> doing real traffic, do you think Equinix would allow them to remain
> accessible from their suites, and in a cost-effective manner?

I'm guessing the answer to 1 & 2 is yes.  Proof of at least  
participant count: <>.

>> Trust me, it _is_ being done.
> It's being done, just not on a large scale in the United States
> outside of the SIX.

Define "large".  For instance, Atlanta IX had more traffic than PAIX  
in the same building last I checked.

And how large does it need to be to save a network $300/month?


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