was bogon filters, now "Brief Segue on 1918"
Jay R. Ashworth
jra at baylink.com
Thu Aug 7 16:24:27 CDT 2008
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 03:55:13PM -0400, Patrick Darden wrote:
> Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> >You really think Michael is malicious in his intent?
> >You've spent a whole lot of time paying now attention around here,
> >haven't you?
> I think Michael tends to get confrontational. As, apparently, do you.
Sure. And he's not always right either; none of us are.
But he gave cogent arguments to support his point, and you gave us
coke machines -- worse, *accused him*, backhandedly, of leaving space
for coke machines. See below.
> I'm on a lot of the same lists Michael is on. Have been since 1997. I
> have a lot of respect for him, with reservations gathered from
> experience. He is sharp, and he has a sharp tongue.
None of which amounts to "wants to hurt people", which is what you
accused him of.
> >No, cute soundbites don't make you an expert.
> >But in this case, Dillon's right, and you're wrong: your attempt to
> >trivialize the specific issue on point (allocation within the 1918
> >space internal to a company network) by implying that the only reasons
> >to do it the way he suggests amount to "leaving space for soda
> >machines" only proves in public that you don't know what you're talking
> No, you are wrong. Your attempt to trivialize what I have to say by
> calling it cute only proves that you don't know what you are talking
> about. Bad logic, isn't it? Statement that you are wrong, then
> "proving it" with nonsense addressing someone's character without
> addressing the point....
And yet I see tha tyou don't yourself bother to try to prove your
argument; you merely continue to go after Michael and I on peripheral
points. No pun intended.
> Your mislabelling my tongue-in-cheek ongoing obsession with soda
> machines as Trivializing only proves you have no sense of humor. I
> remember when some kids at MIT first put their dorm's soda machine on
> the internet. Man that was cool. You could ping it and find out how
> many cokes were left, and their temperature....
Sure. Online coke machines are just about as cool as coffee-pot
But they're orthogonal to the discussion that was at hand, and your
returning to that well in the middle of a serious discussion suggests
that you, yourself, are not all that serious.
Once is tongue in cheek.
Twice or three times is dilettante.
> >As randy would put it, I encourage my competitors to hire you to
> >architect their WANs.
> Thank you. Your bile does you credit.
I don't know, Patrick; you seem to be the one emotionalizing the
I'm out of this one though; we are certainly out of AUP.
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra at baylink.com
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