trust networks (Re: Problems sending mail to yahoo?)

Edward B. DREGER eddy+public+spam at
Mon Apr 14 02:39:28 UTC 2008

AC> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:18:40 +0800
AC> From: Adrian Chadd

AC> There already has been a paradigm shift. University students
AC> ("college" for you 'merkins) use facebook, myspace (less now,
AC> thankfully!) and IMs as their primary online communication method.

IOW:  "Must establish trust OOB before communication is allowed."

Deny-by-default is not a panacea, to be sure.

Accept-by-default?  Seemingly the greater of the evils.

Providers and end-users alike both are using ad-hoc methods to deal with
spam as best they can.  United we stand, divided we fall, yadda yadda.

Here's a thought:

Google has massive resources.  Their searches deal extensively with
graph theory, traversal, et cetera.  Is it any wonder that they launched
Orkut?  And why Gmail required an "invite" for so long?  Ever consider
that a Gmail username found reading a Blogspot blog might be considered
a sign of similar interest, perhaps even trust?

It takes neither a rocket scientist nor a conspiracy theorist to
conclude that Google is working on the "trust network" problem
internally.  Others probably are as well; I merely chose a high-profile

I'll say it again:  Providers would be well-served to create _some_ form
of trust metric and data exchange.

If anyone is interested in cooperating with data formats, source code,
other efforts, kooky ideas, or insults, please ping me off-list.  It
might not lead to anything useful or of critical mass, but it has a
better chance than endless regurgitation of (S^2)(D^2) on NANOG-L.

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